{"id":1378,"date":"2018-06-08T13:02:49","date_gmt":"2018-06-08T13:02:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1378"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","slug":"shiur-06-05-18-beitza-34b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1378","title":{"rendered":"Shiur 06\/05\/18 – Beitza 34b"},"content":{"rendered":"

Beitza 34b<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We continued the discussion of the idea that Shabbos elevates\/changes the status of a person and\/or food. <\/span><\/p>\n

\"ImageOur Gemara is the source of all the resulting \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea about the effect of Shabbos on the world.<\/span><\/p>\n

The case discussed concerns the transition of harvested farm produce to the level of \u00a0\u05d8\u05d1\u05dc. <\/span><\/p>\n

In order for produce to enter the stage of \u05d8\u05d1\u05dc, making it inedible until \u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u00a0have been given, it needs to be: <\/span><\/p>\n

A- Brought into the house or courtyard. <\/span><\/p>\n

B- Ready to eat.<\/span><\/p>\n

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If these two parameters are not present, then min Hatorah it is not \u05d8\u05d1\u05dc and one can eat these grains and fruits even as a full meal and Miderabonon only as a snack. For example – eating an apple as a snack in the orchard prior to giving \u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea would be permitted. For although a picked apple is considered \u2018finished food\u2019 it has not yet reached the house. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

2- Our Gemara states that on Shabbos (and perhaps Yom Tov too) fruit that is ready but still out in the field would not be permissible to eat, even as a snack, without first giving the \u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea. <\/span><\/p>\n

Why? <\/span><\/p>\n

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Because due to the obligation to have \u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d2 – enjoyment of food on Shabbos, the \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 gives importance to the snack as if it is an \u2018important meal\u2019 – \u05e1\u05e2\u05d5\u05d3\u05ea \u05e7\u05d1\u05e2. Therefore, these fruits, despite them still being out on the farm (never brought into the house) cannot be eaten, even after Shabbos (unless ones takes care of the \u00a0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea). <\/span><\/p>\n

See below about \u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d2 on Shabbos<\/span><\/p>\n

[The Gemara’s question is if Shabbos would elevate non-processed food to be considered \u00a0\u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05e0\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05ea\u05df]<\/span><\/p>\n

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3- A direct result of this effect of Shabbos is the Halacha that one should not even drink water prior to Kiddush. Although drinking water is obviously not a \u05e1\u05e2\u05d5\u05d3\u05ea \u05e7\u05d1\u05e2, nevertheless Shabbos give it importance.<\/span> Pesachim 105a. <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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4- Another example: An Am Ha\u2019aretz does not lie on Shabbos. Thus, if on Shabbos an AH claims that he gave Ma\u2019aser from his fruit one can rely on his say so and is permitted to eat it. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Did you give maaser?<\/em><\/p>\n

We mentioned the paradox that after Havdalah these fruits are not permitted to be eaten, unless Ma\u2019aser is given\u2026… <\/span><\/p>\n

5- The example we spoke about last week if eating a small amount of cake or cookies on Shabbos would obligate one to wash and bentch.<\/span><\/p>\n

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6- The example of the \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea. <\/span>Pesachim 35,b<\/span><\/a>. Concerning the eating of Matzah on Pesach. <\/span><\/p>\n

Matzah that is \u05d8\u05d1\u05dc one is not \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0. <\/span><\/p>\n

So if one has his \u05e1\u05d3\u05e8 out on the farm, where the grain is not \u05d8\u05d1\u05dc yet, it would seem that he can be \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0 since grains on the farm are not \u05d8\u05d1\u05dc \u00a0as they have not arrived at the house.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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Seder on the cotton Farm<\/em><\/p>\n

The \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea, based on our Gemara, suggests that perhaps the Mitzvah of Matzah is \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e2! Therefore the grain is indeed considered \u05d8\u05d1\u05dc. <\/span><\/p>\n

We will discuss next week if eating in a Sukka also creates \u2018importance\u2019. <\/span><\/p>\n

7- We concluded by learning the beginning of the \u00a0Alter Rebbe\u2019s <\/span>Shulchan Aruch in Hilchos Shabbos <\/span><\/a>where he brings two opinions if eating fine food and dressing with clean clothes on Shabbos is \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 or \u00a0\u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df. <\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Beitza 34b 1- We continued the discussion of the idea that Shabbos elevates\/changes the status of a person and\/or food. Our Gemara is the source of all the resulting \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea about the effect of Shabbos on the world. The case discussed concerns the transition of harvested farm produce to the level of \u00a0\u05d8\u05d1\u05dc. In order … Continue reading Shiur 06\/05\/18 – Beitza 34b<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1378","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1378","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1378"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1378\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1382,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1378\/revisions\/1382"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1378"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1378"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1378"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}