{"id":1416,"date":"2018-07-05T22:33:26","date_gmt":"2018-07-05T22:33:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1416"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","slug":"shiur-7-3-18-beitza-35a-b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1416","title":{"rendered":"Shiur 7\/3\/18 – Beitza 35a -b"},"content":{"rendered":"

Beitza 35 a-b <\/span><\/p>\n

1- We concluded our Sugya of \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e2\u05ea \u05dc\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8, and made a Siyum on Perek \u05d4\u05de\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d4\u05d3\u05e8\u05df \u05e2\u05dc\u05da<\/p>\n

We see that Hillel, against all his contemporaries, is of the opinion that \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e2\u05ea \u05dc\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8 (see last Rashi on the page<\/em>).<\/span><\/p>\n

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When Ravin arrived in Bavel from Eretz Yisroel, he taught that R. Yochanan said four things do not<\/span> trigger and change the status of unfinished fruit to finished.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

1- \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea – Shabbos. Unlike Hillel’s opinion above<\/span><\/p>\n

2- \u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05d4 – Separating Teruma before they are completed.<\/p>\n

3- \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8 –\u00a0 Bringing it into the house. <\/span><\/p>\n

4-\u00a0<\/span>\u05de\u05e7\u05d7 – The last point was concerning a sale, ; despite the produce being sold it does not\u00a0 give the unprocessed\/unfinished produce enough importance for them to become \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1 \u05d1\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8.<\/p>\n

The Gemore assumes that most ignorant people certainly give \u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05d4\u00a0 and probably Maaser as well.<\/p>\n

2- We began the 5th and final \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u00a0of Beitza. <\/span><\/p>\n

The Mishnah discusses what type of tedious <\/span>work <\/b>is permitted to be performed on Shabbos and Yom Tov.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u2018Work\u2019 <\/b>obviously meaning not any of the 39 \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05ea that are prohibited on Shabbos and similarly, not the corresponding \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05ea that are prohibited on Yom Tov. <\/span><\/p>\n

As an example, the Mishnah writes about \u2018lowering fruits thru a skylight into the house\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Related<\/p>\n

There is no proper \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d4 involved in doing so. The issue is the \u05d8\u05e8\u05d7\u05d4 \u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 on Shabbos and Yom Tov. <\/span><\/p>\n

3- Next week we will learn about the amount of fruit one is allowed to move. The Gemarah states: 3 boxes.<\/span><\/p>\n

How much is a box? <\/span><\/p>\n

3 \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4. <\/span><\/p>\n

How much is a \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4? <\/span><\/p>\n

144 eggs.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Image<\/p>\n

We explained that the measurement of \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4, \u05db\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea etc are measurements of volume. Not weight.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Image<\/p>\n

Thus a \u05db\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea of \u05de\u05e6\u05d4 \u00a0will weigh more than a \u05db\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea \u00a0\u00a0of \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8 lettuce. <\/span><\/p>\n

So the \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4 \u00a0is a measurement of not the weight of 144 eggs but rather the space 144 eggs take up. Volume. \u05e0\u05e4\u05d7 \u00a0in Hebrew. <\/span><\/p>\n

4- We touched the surface on the Noda BiYehuda\u2019s opinion that the \u2018eggs of our times have been reduced in size\u2019. \u05e0\u05ea\u05e7\u05d8\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05e6\u05d9\u05dd.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Related<\/p>\n

5- We mentioned the Gemora in Menachos (11a, Rashi\u00a0 \u05d3”\u05d4 \u05d6\u05d5 \u05d0\u05de\u05d4\u00a0 and 88a) that writes about the \u2018two measuring sticks\u2019 that were attached to the outside wall on the Beis Hamikdosh. One of an \u05d0\u05de\u05d4 plus \u00bd finger the other an \u05d0\u05de\u05d4 and a full finger. <\/span><\/p>\n