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BS\u201dD<\/span><\/p>\n

Beitza 35b <\/span><\/p>\n

1- We reviewed the Mishnah at the beginning of \u00a0the 5th and final \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 of Beitza.<\/span><\/p>\n

It discusses the type of tedious <\/span>work<\/b> permitted to be performed on Shabbos and Yom Tov.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u2018Work\u2019 <\/b>does not mean\u00a0 any of the 39 \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05ea that are prohibited on Shabbos and similarly, not the corresponding \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05ea that are prohibited on Yom Tov.<\/span><\/p>\n

As an example, the Mishnah writes about \u2018lowering fruits thru a skylight into the house\u2019 when one is concerned that they will spoil by the falling rain. <\/span><\/p>\n

2- The word for \u201clowering\u2019 in our Mishna is <\/span>Mashilin<\/span><\/i>. \u00a0\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05dc\u05d9\u05df<\/span><\/p>\n

The Gemora relates that are four other variants \u00a0– \u05e0\u05d5\u05e1\u05d7\u05d0\u05d5\u05ea – in the Mishna: <\/span><\/p>\n

1- \u05de\u05e9\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d9\u05df <\/span><\/p>\n

2- \u05de\u05e9\u05d7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9\u05df<\/span><\/p>\n

3- \u05de\u05e0\u05e9\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9\u05df \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

4-\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9\u05df <\/span><\/p>\n

We tried to understand the reason for this etymological discussion.<\/span><\/p>\n

We discussed an animal which has one foot longer than the other, (the shachul<\/em>), and falling olives from a tree –\u00a0\u05db\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e9\u05dc<\/strong> \u05d6\u05d9\u05ea\u05da. Also, a nazir may not rub clay into his hair to remove it –\u00a0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05e3 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d0\u05d3\u05de\u05d4 \u05de\u05e4\u05e0\u05d9 \u05e9\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05e8<\/strong> \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 – and\u00a0\u05d4\u05e9\u05d7\u05d5\u05e8<\/strong> – which is a razor or scissors.<\/p>\n

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4- Our Mishnah offers the reason for permitting working hard to \u2018lower fruits thru a skylight into the house\u2019 is due to the potential monetary loss.<\/span><\/p>\n

The Gemara quotes a Mishnah in Shabbos where is states that \u2018one may move four or five heavy boxes of produce to make room for guests and to expand the Beis Hamidrosh\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n

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5- We discussed the concept of \u2018monetary loss\u2019. \u00a0\u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

This idea is used in some places, when there are different Halachic opinions, to allow one to rely on the <\/span>lenient <\/span><\/i>opinion when otherwise there would be a \u00a0\u2018monetary loss\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n

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6- We spoke about the famous book authored by the Ramo<\/a> \u00a0<\/span>\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05ea \u05d7\u05d8\u05d0\u05ea<\/span><\/a> which \u00a0is a \u05e7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8 \u00a0of Halachos of \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d4. \u00a0In this \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8 the Ramo relies on the concept of \u2018monetary loss\u2019 \u00a0\u00a0\u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 and also \u05db\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd.<\/span><\/p>\n

When there are different opinions about a particular \u00a0\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4, if there is a \u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 \u05dd\u05e8 or\u00a0 \u05db\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd involved one may rely on the lenient opinion. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

7- A contemporary of the Ramo, Reb Chaim, the brother of the Mahara\u201dl of Prague, was upset by these leniencies. He published a book countering some of the rulings of the Ramo. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05d7 \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd. <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

8- See <\/span>here<\/a>\u00a0(12)\u00a0<\/span>where he is not pleased at the idea to be lenient using the the concept of the arrival of guests, \u00a0<\/span>\u2018honoring guests\u2019, \u05db\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd <\/b>\u00a0to rely on a lenient opinion or \u00a0\u05e4\u05e1\u05e7.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u2018Firstly, most guest are such that are not worth being honored\u2026.second the host is not that happy to see them\u2026.thirdly perhaps\u00a0 the host is \u2018trembling\u2019 upon their arrival\u2026\u2026.<\/span><\/p>\n

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9- <\/span>See here the Alter Rebbe <\/span><\/a>(333, 6) where he defines \u2018guests\u2019 for which one can be lenient, \u00a0for example, to move heavy boxes to make room for them.<\/span><\/p>\n

In short, these guest are not one\u2019s next door neighbors who come over for a Shabbos or Yom Tov meal. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05db\u05e9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d4\u05ea\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5 \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05dc\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05db\u05de\u05d5 \u05dc\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05da \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05db\u05da \u05d1\u05db\u05dc \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05d4\u05ea\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d6\u05d4 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05dc\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05da \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d2”\u05db \u05dc\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05e0\u05e7\u05e8\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d1\u05d0\u05d5 \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8\u05ea <\/b>\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05e0\u05ea\u05d0\u05e8\u05d7\u05d5 \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d6\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05e0\u05ea\u05d0\u05e8\u05d7\u05d5 \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05db\u05e9\u05d6\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d1\u05d0\u05d5\u05ea\u05d4 \u05d4\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e1\u05e2\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e0\u05e7\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d5\u05e1\u05e2\u05d5\u05d3\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05d9\u05d0 <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d0\u05dd \u05db\u05df \u05d6\u05d9\u05de\u05e0\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d1\u05d0 \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc\u05d5 \u05dc\u05db\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d4\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d6 \u05d2\u05dd \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d1\u05db\u05dc\u05dc \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05dc\u05e2\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d6\u05d4<\/span><\/p>\n

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BS\u201dD Beitza 35b 1- We reviewed the Mishnah at the beginning of \u00a0the 5th and final \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 of Beitza. It discusses the type of tedious work permitted to be performed on Shabbos and Yom Tov. \u2018Work\u2019 does not mean\u00a0 any of the 39 \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05ea that are prohibited on Shabbos and similarly, not the corresponding \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05ea … Continue reading Shiur Beitza 35b 07\/10\/18<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1425","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1425","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1425"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1425\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1434,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1425\/revisions\/1434"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1425"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1425"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1425"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}