{"id":1435,"date":"2018-07-19T21:37:06","date_gmt":"2018-07-19T21:37:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1435"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","slug":"shiur-07-17-2018-beitza-36a","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1435","title":{"rendered":"Shiur 07\/17\/2018 Beitza 36a"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BS\u201dD<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Beitza 36a<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">1- We continued the Sugya of \u05d8\u05e8\u05d7\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d5\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1. There are 3 scenarios where the Chachamim allowed one (with certain limitations) to perform heavy labor. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">1- Monetary loss. &#8211;\u00a0\u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">2- Expanding a place to learn. &#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05e9<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/refocusministry.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/08\/welcome-mat.jpg?w=676&amp;h=294\" alt=\"Related image\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">3- The arrival of guest. &#8211;\u00a0\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">2- We discussed the concept of \u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4. \u00a0Monetary loss. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We read the text of the \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d9\u05e2\u05d1\u201d\u05e5 and the question posed to him by a Kehila. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/beta.hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=1408&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=145\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">See here # 167. <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The story in short: <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A young man was owed money by a non-Jew. Being afraid that he will not be paid, he went on Shabbos! to the \u00a0\u00a0\u05d1\u05e2\u05e8\u05e9 (market place) to find this debtor to secure his loan.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/legaltemplates.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/Demand-For-Payment-1-1024x684.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for demand repayment\" \/><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thanks to Hillel Vogel for alerting us that \u05d1\u05e2\u05e8\u05e9, is bourse. See <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=bourse&amp;rlz=1C1PRFC_enUS648US648&amp;oq=bourse&amp;aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1879j0j9&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">here<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. <\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c8.alamy.com\/comp\/ETPK70\/bel-belgium-antwerp-diamond-exchange-at-the-jewish-district-bel-belgien-ETPK70.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for diamond bourse in antwerp\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Diamond Bourse in Antwerp Belgium<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He was successful in securing his loan by finding a guarantor for this loan.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com\/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9NILPW9UClkHZFJ4_tOXYEK-MpvyDFMWBr1PACDJjY7vNDBbS\" alt=\"Image result for loan guarantee\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Upon hearing what this \u05d1\u05d7\u05d5\u05e8 did, the Kehila wanted to punish him. Their rationale was that he did something against Halacha and also caused a \u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc \u05d4\u05e9\u05dd inasmuch the goyim became \u2018aware that Jews can indeed work on Shabbos\u2019. \u00a0This knowledge, claimed the Kehila, would bring about detrimental attitudes of these goyim against Jews of that town. Such as forcing Jews to come testify in court on Shabbos.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.visitnorwich.co.uk\/assets\/Uploads\/businessimages\/_resampled\/CroppedFocusedImageWyI2MDAiLCI0MDAiXQ\/norwichmarket008jbp.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for market\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The young man\u2019s response was simple: I did nothing wrong. Going to the bourse and talking about open debts in not prohibited. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The response of the Yavet\u2019z was that he has a point. Collecting a debt is not \u2018commerce\u2019 &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/he.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%D7%92%D7%96%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%97_%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9E%D7%9B%D7%A8_%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA_%D7%95%D7%97%D7%92\">\u05de\u05e7\u05d7 \u05d5\u05de\u05de\u05db\u05e8<\/a> &#8211;\u00a0<em>per se<\/em> which is prohibited \u00a0\u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He quotes that some \u05e7\u05d4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea had a Minhag to announce on Shabbos from the Bima \u00a0the list of all debtors that were lax in paying their debts. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/matchbin-assets.s3.amazonaws.com\/public\/sites\/383\/assets\/JZHJ_06nbrabbi02_1.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for rabbi at the pulpit\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On top of this all, writes the Yavet\u201dz, is the \u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 angle. Had this \u05d1\u05d7\u05d5\u05e8 \u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">not <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">gone to acquire a guarantee for this debt, the borrower may have defaulted causing a loss to the lender. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He quotes our Gemara where one is allowed to perform heavy lifting, such as dragging large boxes of fruit if they might get ruined due to rain. He mentions other places in Sha&#8217;s \u00a0where \u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 is used to be lenient such as in the case of a fire, or saying to a non-jew &#8220;you won&#8217;t lose if the fire is extinguished&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So this fellow did nothing wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.delacole.com\/expresiones\/fotos\/kehila.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for kehila\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But what about the potential damage to the Kehila? We discussed as to why he should be liable for this. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">More interesting ideas from the Yavet\u201dz to be continued next week, bli neder. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">3- We began the Sugya of \u00a0\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc. Meaning whether something that is <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">not <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">muktzeh and thus permitted to be moved around; can it be moved for the purpose of something that<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">muktzeh?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i5.walmartimages.com\/asr\/15801a4e-f467-4133-a4ce-93450929131d_1.f3a38e52b8d7cdf3656fbd970a409eda.jpeg?odnHeight=450&amp;odnWidth=450&amp;odnBg=FFFFFF\" alt=\"Image result for bike covered white tarp\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As an example, a plastic tablecloth. Not a muktzeh article. Can one take this table cloth and cover an electric scooter (muktzeh) to protect it from rain? <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>BS\u201dD Beitza 36a 1- We continued the Sugya of \u05d8\u05e8\u05d7\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d5\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1. There are 3 scenarios where the Chachamim allowed one (with certain limitations) to perform heavy labor. \u00a0 1- Monetary loss. &#8211;\u00a0\u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d3 2- Expanding a place to learn. &#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05e9 3- The arrival of guest. &#8211;\u00a0\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd 2- We discussed the concept of &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1435\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Shiur 07\/17\/2018 Beitza 36a<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1435","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1435","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1435"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1435\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1443,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1435\/revisions\/1443"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1435"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1435"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1435"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}