{"id":1445,"date":"2018-07-26T22:57:17","date_gmt":"2018-07-26T22:57:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1445"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","slug":"shiur-07-24-18-beitza-36a2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1445","title":{"rendered":"Shiur 07\/24\/18 – Beitza 36a(2)"},"content":{"rendered":"

BS\u201dD<\/span><\/p>\n

Beitza 36a (2) <\/span><\/p>\n

1- We continued the Sugya of \u00a0\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc. Meaning whether something that is <\/span>not <\/span><\/i>muktzeh and thus permitted to be moved around; can it be moved for the purpose of something that<\/span> is <\/span><\/i>muktzeh?<\/span><\/p>\n

2- The opinion of Reb Yitzchok is that it is prohibited. The opinion of Ulla is that it is permitted, and such is the Halachah.<\/span><\/p>\n

3- Another topic discussed is \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05d1\u05d8\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05de\u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e0\u05d5. Meaning that something that is permitted at the onset of Shabbos and Yom Tov to be moved around, such as a pot, one may not place something of Muktzeh into this pot. Doing so would make the pot Muktzeh and thus making the pot unusable. <\/span><\/p>\n

4- We read the text of the <\/span>Mishna Brura<\/span><\/a> (B\u2019H, \u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8) where he poses an interesting question:<\/span><\/p>\n

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When we wash Negel Vasser in the morning, or \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd, into a shisel etc, we are basically making the shissel useless since the used water becomes non usable!<\/span><\/p>\n

We retold the story of the Graf Potozki<\/a> and the resulting \u2018change\u2019 in regard to \u05e8\u05d5\u05d7 \u05d4\u05d8\u05d5\u05de\u05d0\u05d4.<\/span><\/p>\n

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5- If a leak develops on Shabbos and one wants to collect the water by placing a pot under the flow, if the water is murky and not useable (Muktzeh), then placing the pot has two problems. <\/span><\/p>\n

1- \u00a0\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc. Moving a pot for water that is Muktzeh<\/span><\/p>\n

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2- \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05d1\u05d8\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05de\u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e0\u05d5.<\/a> When water will collect in the pot it will render the pot Muktzeh. <\/span><\/p>\n

6- See <\/span>here <\/span><\/a>on a topic mentioned in our Gemara.<\/span><\/p>\n

7- We continued last\u2019s weeks story of the young man who went to the market on Shabbos to collect his debt and the reaction of the Kehila. <\/span><\/p>\n

The Yavet\u2019z ruled that the only thing the Kehila has on the young man is that he should have asked a Rov prior to going. <\/span><\/p>\n

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As to the concern raised by the Kehila that the non-Jews would use the action of this fellow against the Jews, saying that \u2018you really don\u2019t observe your Sabbath\u2019, The Yavet\u2019z brings an interesting Gemore. <\/span><\/p>\n

The famous convert Isser, once said \u201cprior to my conversion I was of the opinion that Jews are not \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e8\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea! Why? Because when I walk in the Jewish neighborhoods on Shabbos I never see money on the streets. Now it\u2019s inevitable that before Shabbos people dropped some change. So why don\u2019t I see any change on the street?<\/span><\/p>\n

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It must be that Jews, when they see money, they pick it up even on Shabbos!<\/span><\/p>\n

The Gemara concludes that there is a \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8 (unknown to Iser at the time) to carry less than \u05d3\u2019 \u05d0\u05de\u05d5\u05ea at a time. <\/span><\/p>\n

So says the Yavet\u2019z, despite hearing what Isser said about his opinion of the Jews, the Chachamim didn\u2019t enact to disallow this \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8 \u00a0of carrying less than \u05d3\u2019 \u05d0\u05de\u05d5\u05ea at a time.<\/span><\/p>\n

8- He finishes off with a story about Jewish merchants in Amsterdam who heard rumors on Shabbos that a boat carrying merchandise they ordered from overseas <\/span>may <\/span><\/i>have sunk. Despite the rumors they were able to insure the cargo by verbally binding a policy on Shabbos!<\/span><\/p>\n

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They didn\u2019t, and the Yavet\u2019z praised them (despite others called them fools) since binding a policy is considered \u05de\u05e7\u05d7 \u05d5\u05de\u05de\u05db\u05e8. <\/span><\/p>\n

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BS\u201dD Beitza 36a (2) 1- We continued the Sugya of \u00a0\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc. Meaning whether something that is not muktzeh and thus permitted to be moved around; can it be moved for the purpose of something that is muktzeh? 2- The opinion of Reb Yitzchok is that it is prohibited. The opinion … Continue reading Shiur 07\/24\/18 – Beitza 36a(2)<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1445","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1445","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1445"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1445\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1449,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1445\/revisions\/1449"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1445"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1445"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1445"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}