{"id":1579,"date":"2019-02-08T13:02:56","date_gmt":"2019-02-08T13:02:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1579"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","slug":"mikvaos-siman-201-shiur-5-02-06-19","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1579","title":{"rendered":"Mikvaos, Siman 201 Shiur 5 – 02\/06\/19"},"content":{"rendered":"

BS\u201dD <\/span><\/p>\n

Shiur 5 – 2\/6\/19<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We continued to learn about turning a \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 into a proper \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 . This requires a two step process:<\/span><\/p>\n

A- To puncture a hole in the \u05db\u05dc\u05d9.<\/span><\/p>\n

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We discussed the various opinions as to the size of the hole. See ahead the Mechaber and Ramo. <\/span><\/p>\n

B- To affix the \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 to the ground or to do something that shows that this \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 will no longer be used as a \u05db\u05dc\u05d9. Such as patching the hole with cement.<\/span><\/p>\n

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2- We learned the Reb Akiva Eiger (see \u00a010 \u05e4\u05ea\u05d7\u05d9 \u05ea\u05e9\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 ) that discusses the case of a box that was placed into a river. The process was to first puncture the box, thereby being \u05de\u05d1\u05d8\u05dc \u00a0the \u05db\u05dc\u05d9. Afterwards, the hole would be plugged and filled with hot water. Prior to the tevila, the plug would be pulled out. <\/span><\/p>\n

We will study this more in detail IY”H in the upcoming shiurim. <\/span><\/p>\n

3- Here is the Machaber, Ramo, Shach and Taz. <\/span><\/p>\n

Mechaber 7<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

The <\/span>Mechaber<\/span><\/i> now sets forth the parameters of what constitutes<\/span> a vessel invalidating a Mikvah:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d4\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7\u05d7 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc, \u05db\u05d2\u05d5\u05df \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05e2\u05e8\u05d9\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4, \u05d5\u05e0\u05e7\u05d1\u05d5 \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d4\u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8\u05d5 – One who takes a large vessel, such as a large barrel or a large trough, and makes in it a hole that “purifies” it. \u00a0\u00a0\u05d5\u05e7\u05d1\u05e2\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d5\u05e2\u05e9\u05d4\u05d5 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4, \u05d4”\u05d6 \u05db\u05e9\u05e8 – And affixes it in the ground and makes it into a mikvah, it is kosher.<\/b><\/p>\n

(\u05d5\u05d9”\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05db\u05b4\u05e9\u05c1\u05b0\u05e4\u05d5\u05b9\u05e4\u05b6\u05e8\u05b6\u05ea \u05d4\u05b7\u05e0\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u05d3 (\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e8\u05d0”\u05e9 \u05d1\u05ea\u05e9\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4) \u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d7\u05de\u05d9\u05e8) \u00a0– And there are those that say that we are referring to a hole <\/b>the size of<\/span> a tube of a flask – <\/b>size of<\/span> two fingers<\/span>), and so one should be stringent).<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05d0\u05dd \u05e4\u05e7\u05e7 \u05d4\u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d5\u05d1\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df, \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05dc \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d4\u05e0\u05e7\u05d5\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05ea\u05d5\u05db\u05d5 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 – \u05db\u05e9\u05e8 \u2013 In addition, if the hole is filled with lime and building <\/b>stones<\/span>, it does not invalidate it and the water that pools inside it is a kosher mikvah.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u05e1\u05ea\u05de\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d2\u05e4\u05e1\u05d9\u05ea, \u05e2\u05d3\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05dc \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e2\u05d3 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05d9\u05d1\u05e0\u05d4 – <\/b>However<\/span>, if one clogs <\/b>the hole <\/span>with lime and plaster, it invalidates the mikvah<\/b>, as it is now not considered to be a hole.<\/span> Unless it is affixed in the ground or building.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u05d5\u05d0\u05dd \u05d4\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d5 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d2\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d5\u05e2\u05dc \u05d2\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3, \u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d1\u05d8\u05d9\u05d8 \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05e6\u05d3\u05d3\u05d9\u05df, \u05d4”\u05d6 \u05db\u05e9\u05e8 – And if it was dragged along the ground and on lime, and it was smeared by pitch along the sides, it is kosher.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d4\u05d2\u05d4<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05dc\u05e2\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05d2\u05d2, \u05d5\u05d1\u05dc\u05d1\u05d3 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05ea\u05d5\u05da \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05d0\u05d1\u05df \u05d0\u05d7\u05ea \u05e9\u05d7\u05e7\u05e7\u05d5 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d1\u05e1\u05d5\u05e3 \u05e7\u05d1\u05e2\u05d5, \u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d7\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05e7\u05e8\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 (\u05ea\u05e9\u05d5\u05d1\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05e9\u05d1”\u05d0 \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05ea”\u05ea) – One may place it on the roof, on the condition that it not be in a vessel or a single stone which was first hollowed out and only afterwards affixed there, but a combination of many attached stones is not considered a vessel.<\/b><\/p>\n

——<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05e9”\u05da<\/b><\/p>\n

:\u05db\u05d4) \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d5\u05d1\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05d5<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05db\u05dc\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05ea\u05e8\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05d7\u05d3\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d9\u05d4\u05d0 \u05e0\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1 \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d4\u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d5\u05e2\u05d5\u05d3 \u05e6\u05e8\u05d9\u05da \u05e9\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1\u05e2 \u05d1\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u00a0– Meaning, <\/b>the vessel is valid as a <\/span>mikah <\/span><\/i>if it fills <\/span>both <\/b>criteria. <\/span>One, by making a hole that “purifies” it. Two by attaching it to the ground. \u00a0\u00a0\u05d0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d9\u05d4\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d5 \u05d4\u05d5\u05db\u05d7\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e9\u05dc \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e9\u05dc \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u2013 Or <\/b>if the vessel <\/span>has clear proof, <\/b>it is obvious, <\/span>that it is part of the building, and not a vessel.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05de”\u05d4 \u05d0\u05dd \u05e4\u05e7\u05e7\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d5\u05d1\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e6\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05db\u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d4\u05df \u05db\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d7\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc\u05dc \u05d5\u05dc\u05e4\u05d9\u05db\u05da \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05dc \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u2013 Therefore, if the hole is filled with lime and building – meaning stones and similar object, thus making it as if it\u2019s part of the building; it is not considered it a vessel. And thus, does not invalidate the <\/b>mikvah<\/i><\/b>. \u00a0\u00a0\u05db\u05dc\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05e9\u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea\u05d5\u05db\u05d5 \u05d9\u05d7\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5 \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd \u2013 Meaning that we don\u2019t consider the water inside<\/b> the vessel<\/span> as drawn water. <\/b>As<\/span> \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd invalidates a <\/span>mikvah<\/span><\/i>. <\/span>\u05d5\u05d4”\u05d4 \u05d3\u05db\u05e9\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d8\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d5<\/b> \u2013 <\/span>And<\/b> one is allowed to immerse in it.<\/b><\/p>\n

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\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05db\u05e9\u05e0\u05e1\u05ea\u05de\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d2\u05e4\u05e1\u05d9\u05ea \u05dc\u05d1\u05d3 – However, when if one clogs <\/b>the hole <\/span>with lime and plaster alone, <\/b>without the stones<\/span> \u00a0\u05db\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d3\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e8\u05da \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d0\u05dc\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d1\u05d3\u05dd \u05d1\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5 \u05e6\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u2013 Since it is unusual for <\/b>these materials<\/span> to be used for building without stones <\/b>\u00a0<\/span>\u00a0\u05e2\u05d3\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05dd \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d5\u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05dc \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u2013 It is still called, <\/b>considered, <\/span>a vessel and it invalidates <\/b>it as <\/span>a <\/b>Mikvah<\/i><\/b>. \u00a0\u05d5\u05db”\u05e9 \u05e9\u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc \u05d1\u05ea\u05d5\u05db\u05d5 – \u00a0And of course one is not allowed to immerse in it.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05d1\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9 \u05e7\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05d3\u05d0\u05e2”\u05e4 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e7\u05d1\u05e2\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d3\u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e7\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d5\u05d2\u05dd \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e0\u05d0\u05d5 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05d7\u05d5 \u05db\u05e9\u05e8 \u2013 <\/b>And afterwards the Mechaber goes on the explain<\/span> \u2013 That although one did not affix it to the ground. Meaning, <\/b>that not only<\/span> one did not dig\/bury it <\/b>into the ground, <\/span>and <\/b>in addition,<\/span> one did not build it <\/b>into the ground; <\/span>Rather, they just placed it on the ground and plastered it \u2013 it is valid <\/b>as a kosher <\/span>mikvah<\/span><\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Plaster<\/em><\/p>\n

\u05d0\u05e4\u05d9’ \u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5 \u05e2”\u05d2 \u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d5\u05d2\u05e4\u05e1\u05d9\u05ea \u05db\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05e9\u05d4\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d5\u05d2\u05e4\u05e1\u05d9\u05ea \u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dd \u05e2\u05d5\u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05db\u05d0\u05e8\u05e2\u05d0 \u05e1\u05de\u05d9\u05db\u05ea\u05d0 \u05d3\u05de\u05d9\u05d0 \u2013 <\/b>And <\/span>even <\/b>in a case <\/span>where one laid the vessel on lime or plaster <\/b>on top the ground, <\/span>because the lime and plaster and on the ground, it\u2019s as if <\/b>the vessel<\/span> is <\/b>itself<\/span> on the ground. – <\/b>And would thus be valid.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05db\u05dc \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d3\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05d8\u05d9\u05d8 \u05d7\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1 \u05db\u05e7\u05d1\u05d5\u05e2 \u05d5\u05db\u05e9\u05e8 \u05d1”\u05d9 \u2013 <\/b>Thus is the opinion of the <\/span>B\u201dY<\/b>, <\/span>that anytime <\/b>the vessel <\/span>was smeared by pitch along the sides it is as if it\u2019s connect to the ground <\/b>itself. And – <\/span>\u00a0it is kosher.<\/b><\/p>\n

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\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0”\u05e9 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e8”\u05e9 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9\u05d1”\u05d0 \u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d4\u05dd \u05e9\u05d8\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8\u05ea \u05d1\u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9 \u05e1\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d5\u05d2\u05e4\u05e1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d5\u05de\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05dd \u05d1”\u05d9 \u05d5\u05db\u05ea\u05d1\u05d5 \u05d4\u05d8”\u05d5 \u05dc\u05e7\u05de\u05df \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05de’ \u05e2”\u05e9: – However, the \u05e8\u05d0”\u05e9 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e8”\u05e9 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9\u05d1”\u05d0 have a different opinion on explaining the meaning of lime and plaster and the B\u201dY brings them down. \u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n

—- <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d8”\u05d6<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d8) \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d4\u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8\u05d5.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05e4\u05d9’ \u05e9\u05e2”\u05d9 \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05db\u05d6\u05d4 \u05e0\u05ea\u05d1\u05d8\u05dc \u05e9\u05dd \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05de\u05de\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05de\u05e7\u05d1\u05dc \u05d8\u05d5\u05de\u05d0\u05d4 – <\/b>Meaning that with a whole of this <\/b>size<\/span> the name vessel <\/b>it loses its definition as a vessel <\/span>and it does not become impure.<\/b><\/p>\n

\"Related<\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9\u05e2\u05d5\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05db\u05de\u05d5\u05e6\u05d9\u05d0 \u05d6\u05d9\u05ea \u05d5\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05e4\u05d7\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05e9\u05e4\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8\u05ea \u05d4\u05e0\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d5\u05e2\u05d9’ \u05d1\u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05de’ \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e6\u05d3\u05d9\u05d5 – And its measurement is like a <\/b>perforation with a hole large enough for<\/span> an<\/span> olive <\/b>to <\/span>emerge. Which is less than a <\/b>vat spout hole.<\/b><\/p>\n

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