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Mikvaos, Siman 201, Shiur 8-9<\/p>\n

03\/05 – 03\/12\/19<\/p>\n

Shiur 8 & 9:<\/span><\/p>\n

1- The point of the last two shiurim have been the parameters of a well water- \u00a0\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df. A well can also mean a water pond that is fed from an underground source.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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In general, well water is the most powerful \u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8.<\/span><\/p>\n

A- It needs only a drop to be \u2018me\u2019taher\u2019. \u00a0– \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d1\u05db\u05dc \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0.<\/span><\/p>\n

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B-I t does not need to be in a Mikvah \u00a0\u05d0\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05df- meaning immersing oneself in water even while it is <\/span>flowing <\/b>from a well, line a stream,\u00a0 is nevertheless considered a kosher Tevilah.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0. \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d1\u05d6\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df<\/span><\/p>\n

2- The discussion we had concerned water from a well that detached itself from the well.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Say a stream whose source comes out of the ground. The stream flows along and and in its path is a swimming pool. It ends up filling the pool and then continues to flow further along. The pool (and the water flowing beyond the pool) would have the full properties of a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df , for both points A & B above. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Now what happens if somewhere between the source of this well water and the pool the stream is cut or blocked. The water continues to flow and fills up the pool. <\/span><\/p>\n

From the simple reading of the Mishnah and the Mechaber in Seif 10 it would seem that the pool loses its \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df status and turns into a simple Mikvah requiring 40 \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4 for kosher Tevilah,\u00a0 and the water would need to be stationary in the pool. Meaning that if it overflows the pool rim this overflow would not be Kosher at all.<\/span><\/p>\n

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3- The issue we discussed is the opinion of the \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u201d\u05e7<\/a> \u00a0(and <\/span>here<\/span><\/a>) . His question, a fundamental point discussed by many when studying \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d5\u05d0\u05d5\u05ea, is the \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u00a0of a detached wave that falls upon a person that is standing on the beach. See Shiur 4.<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

Such a wave\u00a0 is in transit- it is moving\/flowing. Nevertheless, despite it being detached from the ocean, is considered a full fledged \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df, despite it being \u2018flowing water\u2019 \u05d6\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df. <\/span><\/p>\n

But why, asks the Ma\u2019Harik? Is not such a wave similar to a stream that was blocked? So why is the water of a blocked stream not considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df\u00a0 while a detached wave is considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df?<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Image<\/span><\/p>\n

His conclusion is that indeed, water flowing from a stream (whose source is a will \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df) will <\/span>always <\/i><\/b>be considered well water –\u00a0a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df – even if detached<\/strong>. And if such a cut-off stream fills a pool this pool is still considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u00a0100%. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0The Mishna that seems to say that a detached stream of well water that fills a pool in not considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df\u00a0<\/span>says\u00a0the Ma’Harik is talking about a pool that already full of water. Had it been empty it would indeed be considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df!<\/p>\n

So in concept, according to the Ma\u2019Harik, a stream of water flowing from a well is considered well – \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df water even if fully detached<\/strong>. (Just like a wave).<\/span><\/p>\n

4- Most other Poskim totally disagree. Their opinion is that well water to be considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df must always<\/strong> be connected to its source. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

So why is a detached wave considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df? On this question the Sha\u201dch offers a few explanations. See below.<\/span><\/p>\n

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5- We learned the text of the Rebbe\u2019s fascinating explanation of the famous reply of Moshiach to the \u00a0\u00a0\u05d1\u05e2\u05dc \u05e9\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 – <\/span><\/p>\n

. \u05dc\u05db\u05e9\u05d9\u05e4\u05d5\u05e6\u05d5 \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea\u05d9\u05da \u05d7\u05d5\u05e6\u05d4 <\/span><\/p>\n

Moshiach will come when the wellsprings of Chassidus will flow and spread.<\/i><\/b> The Rebbe cites the opinions of the majority of the \u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05e7\u05d9\u05dd above, that well water is only considered a \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df when fully connected to its source. He mentioned the Sha\u201dch and others. <\/span><\/p>\n

See here in Likutei Sichos Vol 4, footnote 34. <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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6- \u00a0We mentioned briefly the opinion of the \u05e6\u05de\u05d7 \u05e6\u05d3\u05e7 that a wave is not<\/strong><\/em> considered \u05d6\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df at all. More on this IY\u201dh in future Shiurim. <\/span><\/p>\n

———————————————<\/span><\/p>\n

Here is the text. We thank Dani Chitrik for the translation. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9<\/b><\/p>\n

Preface<\/span>:<\/b><\/p>\n

Mikvah 5:1<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05de\u05b7\u05e2\u05b0\u05d9\u05b8\u05df \u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05d4\u05b6\u05e2\u05b1\u05d1\u05b4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05b9 \u05e2\u05b7\u05dc \u05d2\u05bc\u05b7\u05d1\u05bc\u05b5\u05d9… \u05d1\u05b0\u05e8\u05b5\u05db\u05b8\u05d4 \u05d5\u05b0\u05d4\u05b4\u05e4\u05b0\u05e1\u05b4\u05d9\u05e7\u05d5\u05b9, \u05d4\u05b2\u05e8\u05b5\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d5\u05bc\u05d0 \u05db\u05b0\u05de\u05b4\u05e7\u05b0\u05d5\u05b6\u05d4 – Regarding a <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b> that was led to pass over a pool and <\/b>then<\/span> it was stopped, it <\/b>the <\/span>mayan<\/i><\/b> water in the pool<\/span> is thereby <\/b>considered to be<\/span> like a <\/b>mikvah<\/i><\/b>.<\/b><\/p>\n

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Mechaber<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05db\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05ea \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d4\u05dd \u05e0\u05e7\u05d5\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05e2\u05d5\u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd, \u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df; – A <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b> that ran into a pool of water that is pooled and standing [still], has the rule of a <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b> – <\/b>It is Kosher even without 40 <\/span>seah <\/span><\/i>and while it\u2019s in motion. \u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u00a0\u05d5\u05d0\u05dd \u05d4\u05e4\u05e1\u05d9\u05e7 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05d4\u05e7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05d7, \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d4 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4- However, if the flow has stopped <\/b>thus it is no longer connected to the <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i>, it returns to having the rules of a mikvah. <\/b>\u2013 It must have 40 <\/span>seah <\/span><\/i>\u00a0and is only kosher if stationary. \u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05d0\u05dd \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8 \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05da \u05e7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05d7 \u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05ea\u05d5\u05db\u05d4, \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df – And if the flow of the <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b> is <\/span>returned into it, it returns to having the rules of a <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b>.<\/b><\/p>\n

——<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05e9”\u05da<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05dc – \u05dc\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d4 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8\u05ea \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d1\u05de’ \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d1\u05d0\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05df. \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8. \u2013 <\/b>It is now considered a Mikvah in regard to <\/span>not purifying unless there are 40<\/b> seah<\/i><\/b> and <\/b>the water must be <\/span>stationary.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05db\u05ea\u05d1 \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05d9”\u05e7 \u05e9\u05d5\u05e8\u05e9 \u05e7\u05d8”\u05d5 \u05d5\u05e7\u05e6”\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d3\u05d5\u05e7\u05d0 \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e0\u05d7\u05d5 \u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05d5\u05db\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e0\u05e2\u05e9\u05d5 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05df \u2013 The Mahari\u201dk writes that <\/b>the scenario of the <\/span>Mishnah<\/span><\/i> above, which mentioned this Halacha of turning a pool into a valid <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> when it is constantly trickling into the pool, was <\/span>only<\/b> in a case when the water have stopped moving inside a Mikve. <\/b>And now, in order to \u201cconvert\u201d the status of the pool back into a <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> one has to connect a stream from a <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> (that is still connected to its source) to flow into the pool. <\/span>\u00a0\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d0\u05db\u05ea\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e0\u05d7\u05d5 \u05d5\u05e2\u05d3\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d6\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05e2”\u05e4 \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05e4\u05e1\u05e7\u05d5 \u05de\u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d4\u05dd \u05d3\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e1\u05e7 \u05e2\u05d3\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d7\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea\u05df \u05db\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d3\u05d6\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u00a0– However, in a scenario where the <\/b>mayan stream \u00a0<\/i><\/b>never stopped moving<\/b>, it is <\/span>considered a <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b>. For its original strength never ceased from it, since it was always moving <\/b>just as regular <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i>.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05e8\u05d0\u05d9\u05d4 \u05de\u05d2\u05dc \u05e9\u05e0\u05ea\u05dc\u05e9 \u05dc\u05e2\u05d9\u05dc \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4 – And his proof is from a wave that detaches from the sea. <\/b>Although the wave is no longer connected to its source, if it fell on a person or vessel, their immersion is valid.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05d0\u05e2”\u05d2 \u05d3\u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d4\u05df \u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05d4\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05d4 \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d0\u05dd \u05d4\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05d4 \u05e8\u05d9\u05e7\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea \u05d5\u05e0\u05ea\u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05d4 \u05de\u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05e2”\u05e4 \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05e4\u05e1\u05e7 \u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05e2\u05db”\u05d3 \u2013 And although here <\/b>in our <\/span>Halacha <\/span><\/i>\u00a0it would seem that once detached <\/span>it would be considered a <\/b>mikvah<\/i><\/b>. <\/span>This is only because the pool was already full of water. However, if it were originally empty, <\/b>and only <\/span>then filled from the <\/b>mayan, <\/i><\/b>even if the trickle were stopped from <\/b>its source, <\/span>the <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b>, it would still be considered a <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b>.<\/b><\/p>\n

[<\/b>Additionally, what says in the Mishna that a <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> flow that has been stopped turns the pool into a Mikvah is talking about a pool that had already rain water in it<\/span>] <\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d1”\u05d3 \u05e9\u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0 \u05e9\u05dd \u05d3\u05d1\u05db\u05dc \u05e2\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u00a0– However, the Rava\u201dd\u2019s opinion that is brought down there <\/b>in the Mahari\u201dK, <\/span>is that in all instances <\/b>the pool and any detachment from a <\/span>mayan\u2019s <\/span><\/i>source <\/span>would make it have the status of a <\/b>mikvah not a Mayan<\/i><\/b>.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05e9\u05d1”\u05d0<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d1\u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0 \u05d1”\u05d9 \u05d3\u05d0\u05e2\u05e4”\u05db \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05de\u05e9\u05de\u05e2 \u05e4\u05e9\u05d8 \u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05e7\u05d9\u05dd \u05d3\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7 \u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05de\u05d5\u05db\u05d7 \u05d1\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e9\u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05e9 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d1\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05e8\u05d9\u05e7\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea \u2013 And so is the opinion of the Rashb\u201da and so it would seem from the <\/b>Mishnah<\/i><\/b> and <\/b>poskim<\/i><\/b> \u2013 that there would be no difference <\/b>whether the pool was filled prior to the stream trickling into it or not. If there is a steady stream it would be considered a <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> and if not its considered a <\/span>mikvah. <\/span><\/i>\u00a0<\/span>And so it would seem from the Prisha that explains the Tur <\/b>even in a case of <\/span>an empty pool <\/b>that were filled up. Once the trickle stops, it\u2019s now considered a<\/span> mikvah<\/span><\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05de\u05d2\u05dc \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e8\u05d0\u05d9\u05d4 \u2013 And from a wave <\/b>which detached from the ocean<\/span> is no proof <\/b>for the Mahari\u201dk; <\/span>\u00a0\u05d3\u05e9\u05d0\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05ea\u05dd\u2013 For there <\/b>the <\/span>din <\/span><\/i>of a wave is<\/span> different, <\/b>since<\/span>:<\/b><\/p>\n

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  1. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u05e9\u05d4\u05d2\u05dc \u05e0\u05ea\u05dc\u05e9 \u05de\u05e2\u05e6\u05de\u05d5 \u00a0– the wave detached itself,<\/b><\/li>\n
  2. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u05d5\u05d7\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e8\u05d1 \u00a0– and it has great strength<\/b><\/li>\n
  3. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u05d5\u05d2\u05dd \u05e0\u05ea\u05dc\u05e9 \u05de\u05d4\u05d9\u05dd \u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d9\u05d4 – And it detached from the ocean itself<\/b><\/li>\n
  4. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u05d5\u05d2\u05dd \u05db\u05df \u05d3\u05e8\u05da \u05d6\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea\u05d5 \u05d0\u05e3 \u05e9\u05e0\u05ea\u05dc\u05e9 \u2013 And, a wave detaching from the ocean is a natural movement, even though it <\/b>is now<\/span> disconnected<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    \u05de\u05e9\u05d0”\u05db \u05d4\u05db\u05d0 – Which is different from our case here.<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05dc\u05f4\u05d0 <\/b>\u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05db\u05d5<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d4\u05e7\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d4\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db”\u05d0 \u05de”\u05e9 \u05de\u05d8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e0\u05d4\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e2\u05ea \u05d4\u05d2\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d3\u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05dc \u05e8”\u05d9 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e8\u05de\u05d1”\u05dd \u05d5\u05e1\u05d9\u05d9\u05e2\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05e2\u05d9\u05dc \u05e1”\u05d1 \u2013 The Prisha asked: Why is <\/b>our<\/span> Halacha <\/span><\/i>which<\/span> permits converting <\/span>this<\/b> pool of water into a valid <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> different<\/b> from <\/b>what we learnt previously concerning rivers in the winter time. i.e. During the rainy season and at times when snow is melting into the rivers, and the majority is now rainwater rather than the flowing <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> water it is <\/span>invalid<\/b> to immerse in it <\/span>according to the Rambam and others, <\/b><\/p>\n

    \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u2018\u05d4\u05d0 \u05d2\u05dd \u05e9\u05dd \u05e0\u05de\u05e9\u05da \u05e2\u05dd \u05de\u05d9 \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05d5\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05dc\u05de\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d2\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05ea \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05db\u05de\u05d5 \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05db\u05d5 \u2013 For over there as well the waters combine with the <\/b>mikvah <\/i><\/b>waters, so why should they not have the laws of a <\/b>mikvah<\/i><\/b> just as here.<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d5\u05ea\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e6\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d7\u05d5\u05e7 \u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05d5\u05e7 \u2013 And his answer is far-fetched.<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e7\u05e9\u05d4 \u05de\u05d9\u05d3\u05d9 \u05d3\u05d4\u05ea\u05dd \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e1\u05d9\u05dc \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d3\u05e8\u05da \u05d6\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d1\u05d0\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05df \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8\u2013 However it is indeed no question at all. <\/b>For in our Halacha the concern is whether it\u2019s a valid <\/span>mikvah<\/span><\/i> at all after the trickle stops \u2013 Because now that the trickle stopped, we need 40 <\/span>seah<\/span><\/i> and it must be stationary. However, <\/span>over there <\/b>we are only concerned about <\/span>purification while it, <\/b>the water,<\/span> is moving. However, were it stationary it would be permissible<\/b> as a <\/span>mikvah<\/span><\/i>.<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d3\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d0 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05db\u05d5\u05dc\u05d5 \u05de\u05d9 \u05d2\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05d6\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e9\u05d5\u05d8<\/b> \u00a0– For even if the river <\/span>were entirely rainwater <\/b>it would still require a stationary Mikva because rainwater must be contained in a Mikva as opposed to well water. <\/span><\/p>\n

    ——<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d8”\u05d6<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05db – \u00a0<\/b>\u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d4 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d1\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05db\u05ea\u05d1 \u05db\u05dc \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05e4\u05e9\u05d5\u05d8 \u05e9\u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9’ \u05d1\u05d6\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u2013 The Tur writes that it has all the laws of a <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b>, ,and it is obvious, that it purifies even when it\u2019s in motion<\/b> like a <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

    \u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0 \u05d1\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d4’ \u05d3\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u2013 And it says in the <\/b>Mishnah<\/i><\/b> chapter 5 of <\/b>mikvaos<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

    \u00a0\u00a0\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05da \u05e8\u05d9\u05d1\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05db\u05d5 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05db\u05de\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4. \u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05e2\u05d5\u05de\u05d3 \u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05db\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d5\u05d4 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d1\u05d0\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05df \u05d5\u05dc\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d4\u05d8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc \u05d1\u05d5 \u05db\u05dc \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 – A spring that flows like a centipede <\/b>i.e. with many smaller tributaries<\/span>, if one added <\/b>drawn water<\/span> upon it and it continued flowing, it is thereby <\/b>still<\/span> as it was. <\/b><\/p>\n

    If it, <\/b>the spring’s water<\/span> was standing, and one added <\/b>drawn waters<\/span> upon it and it continued flowing, it is equivalent to a mikveh in that it purifies <\/b>only<\/span> while gathered in one place, and to a spring in that one can immerse <\/b>objects<\/span> in it in any amount <\/b>of water<\/span>. <\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05dc\u05e4\u05e0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u00a0– Thus we clearly see <\/b>in this <\/span>Mishnah <\/span><\/i>\u00a0an important point:<\/span><\/p>\n

    \u05e9\u05d9\u05e9 \u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7 \u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05da \u05e9\u05d0\u05d6 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d5\u05d9 \u05de\u05d9 \u05d2\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05db\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05db\u05dc \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d5\u05dc\u05dd \u00a0– That there is a difference whether the <\/b>mayan<\/i><\/b> was <\/b>initially <\/span>flowing <\/b>or whether it was originally stationary. For if the <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> was initially flowing <\/span>then all added rainwater or drawn water that was added to it is now universally considered <\/b>mayan <\/i><\/b>water.<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05d5\u05de\u05d3 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d4\u05d9’ \u05de\u05ea\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05da \u05db\u05dc\u05dc \u00a0– <\/b>However, <\/span>when the <\/b>mayan <\/i><\/b>was initially stationary, it was not flowing at all \u00a0\u05d0\u05d6 \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d9 \u05db\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05dc\u05e2\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05df – Then, after <\/b>rainwater or drawn water was added, although that water is \u201cconverted\u201d <\/span>it is still considered as a <\/b>mikvah <\/i><\/b>regarding <\/b>the law of it needing to be <\/span>stationary.<\/b><\/p>\n

     <\/p>\n

    \u05d5\u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05d6\u05d4 \u05e9\u05de\u05e9\u05da \u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05d3\u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05db\u05dc \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u00a0– And this law <\/b>in our <\/span>Halachah <\/span><\/i>where the <\/b>mayan <\/i><\/b>\u00a0is trickling into the pool, and <\/b>consequently <\/span>the pool take on the full status of a <\/b>mayan <\/i><\/b>\u00a0\u05e6”\u05dc \u05d3\u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05da \u05ea\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e9\u05e2\u05db\u05e9\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d4\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u2013 Must be <\/b>talking about a scenario in which <\/span>the <\/b>mayan <\/i><\/b>was initially in motion, and now we trickled it into the pool. <\/b><\/p>\n

     <\/p>\n

    \u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d0\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05d5\u05de\u05d3 \u05ea\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05db\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05d1\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd \u2013 However, if the original <\/b>mayan <\/i><\/b>\u00a0was stationary, and was then trickled into the pool, or if one added drawn water to it<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05d0\u05e2”\u05e4 \u05e9\u05de\u05d4\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05db\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d8\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d4\u05dd \u00a0– Although trickling <\/b>it<\/span> into the pool <\/span>purifies\/converts the drawn water<\/b> into Kosher immersion water <\/span>to immerse in it<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u05de”\u05de \u05dc\u05e2\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d6\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05d4\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d0\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05df \u2013 Nonetheless, regarding<\/b> the laws of<\/span> the water being stationary or moving it does not help <\/b>to convert it, <\/span>\u00a0and it does not purify unless its stationary. \u00a0\u05db\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05e2\u05e6\u05de\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d6\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc \u05ea\u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u2013 For it itself, <\/b>the original <\/span>mayan<\/span><\/i> was not moving. <\/b>And therefore, cannot convert moving water into Kosher immersion water. \u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u00a0\u05d6\u05d4 \u05e0\u05e8\u05d0\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8- This seems sure to me:<\/b><\/p>\n

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