{"id":1631,"date":"2019-05-10T01:11:25","date_gmt":"2019-05-10T01:11:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1631"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:51","slug":"mikvaos-siman-201-shiur-12-5-7-19","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=1631","title":{"rendered":"Mikvaos, Siman 201 Shiur 12, 5\/7\/19"},"content":{"rendered":"

Shiur 12<\/span><\/p>\n

May 7, 2019<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We continued to learn the second half of \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d8\u201d\u05d5. <\/span><\/p>\n

Here begins the Sugya of \u00a0\u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05df. The basic concept is that in order to drive the point that only a proper Kosher Mikvah achieves \u05d8\u05d4\u05e8\u05d4, and not a \u2018shower\u2019 or \u2018bath\u2019, the \u05d7\u05db\u05de\u05d9\u05dd enacted various \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea concerning \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd. <\/span><\/p>\n

The most famous one is that by just entering a pool of water that is not a proper Mikvah renders someone \u05d8\u05de\u05d0! \u00a0Ditto when taking a shower. <\/span><\/p>\n

In our case the \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 concerns a Mikvah that does not have full 40 \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4. If one puts in 3 Lugin (which is about a quart), of \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd the Mikvah becomes \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc. So even if a Mikvah is missing a drop less that the full 40 \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4, adding the 3 Lugin spoils this Mikvah. (We will learn later on on how to remedy this situation). <\/span><\/p>\n

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2- Here is the Shulchan Aruch:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05db\u05dc \u05d6\u05de\u05df \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de’ \u05e1\u05d0\u05d4, \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d0\u05dd \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d7\u05e1\u05e8 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05db\u05dc \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0, \u05d0\u05dd \u05e0\u05e4\u05dc\u05d5 \u05dc\u05ea\u05d5\u05db\u05d5 \u05d2’ \u05dc\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05dd \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd, \u05e4\u05e1\u05dc\u05d5\u05d4\u05d5 \u2013 However, any time <\/b>that<\/span> a mikvah does not have 40 seah, even if it is missing an infinitesimal amount, if 3 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b> of drawn water fall inside, it invalidated the Mikva.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d1\u05df \u05d1\u05db\u05dc\u05d9, \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d0 \u05e1\u05d5\u05d7\u05d8 \u05db\u05e1\u05d5\u05ea\u05d5 \u05d5\u05d4\u05d2\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d1\u05d4 \u05e0\u05d5\u05e4\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 (\u05e8\u05de\u05d1”\u05dd \u05e4”\u05d4; \u00a0– It does not matter if the drawn water is from a vessel, or if one squeezes one\u2019s clothing above the Mikvah and the water drips from many places; \u00a0\u00a0\u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05d4\u05e6\u05e8\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d5\u05de\u05d8\u05d9\u05dc \u05de\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05dc\u05ea\u05d5\u05db\u05d5, \u05d0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d6\u05e8\u05e7\u05dd \u05d1\u05d7\u05e4\u05e0\u05d9\u05d5, \u05d5\u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5 \u05e0\u05e4\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d5 \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5 \u05de\u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d4, \u05de\u05d6\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05d8 \u05d5\u05de\u05d6\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05d8, \u05de\u05e6\u05d8\u05e8\u05e4\u05d9\u05df – and <\/b>the same ruling will <\/span>also <\/b>apply<\/span> if one pours from a watering pot and it pours from the many holes into the Mikva, or it is thrown with his hands, and even if it is dropped from two or three pots, a little from this one and a little from that one, they combine <\/b>to invalidate it with 3 <\/span>lugin<\/span><\/i>.<\/b><\/p>\n

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3- <\/b>We discussed the case when \u00a0\u201cone squeezes one\u2019s clothing above the Mikvah and the water drips from many places\u201d. Is the issue here \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df or is the issue that this Mikvah was created via \u2018the hand of a human\u2019? \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

4- What is a \u05e6\u05e8\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8? Some say it is a garden watering can.<\/span><\/p>\n

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5- We mentioned the Mishna in \u05db\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd 2, 6. Where a vessel called Titrus is mentioned. \u00a0\u05d8\u05b4\u05d9\u05d8\u05b0\u05e8\u05d5\u05b9\u05e1<\/span><\/p>\n

What is a Titrus? Jastrow translates it: <\/span>a perforated vessel, sprinkler, strainer. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

We mentioned the Rambam who says that it is a vessel that has one hole on the top and many holes on the bottom. To use it one dunks the entire Keli into water. He then places his finger on the top hole thereby causing the water not to leak out of the bottom. <\/span><\/p>\n

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6- Not to be confused with the Greek word Tetris which is a prefix for the number 4. Hence the name of the Tetris game which derived its name from Tetris since all the shape configuration have four squares.<\/span><\/p>\n

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We continued to learn Seif 16-19<\/p>\n

\u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d8\u05d6<\/b><\/p>\n

Mechaber<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

\u05d4\u05e1\u05e4\u05d5\u05d2 \u05e9\u05d1\u05dc\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d5 \u05d2’ \u05dc\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05db\u05e9\u05e0\u05e4\u05dc \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e0\u05ea\u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5 \u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d4\u05d1\u05dc\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05dd \u05de\u05d9 \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4, – A sponge that absorbed 3 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b> and when it fell into a mikvah the absorbed water mixed with the mikvah waters, \u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05d3\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e4\u05d9\u05d5 \u05e6\u05e8 \u05d5\u05d1\u05d5 \u05d2’ \u05dc\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05e0\u05e4\u05dc \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05e6\u05d0\u05d5 \u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea\u05d5\u05db\u05d5 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e0\u05ea\u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5 \u05e2\u05dd \u05de\u05d9 \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4, – and Likewise a bucket that has a narrow opening that contains 3 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b> of drawn water that fell into a mikvah and not all of the water that was in it came out but it mixed with the mikvah water, \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e1\u05dc\u05d5\u05d4\u05d5 \u00a0– <\/b>\u00a0<\/span>It is not invalid<\/b> \u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05e0\u05e4\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d5\u05e0\u05ea\u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5 \u05db\u05d5\u05dc\u05dd \u05e2\u05dd \u05de\u05d9 \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4 \u2013 Because we only say <\/b>that the mikvah is invalid<\/span> if\/when 3 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b> of drawn water fall in and mix entirely with the mikvah waters.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6<\/b><\/p>\n

Mechaber<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e6\u05d3 \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4, \u05d0\u05e2”\u05e4 \u05e9\u05d4\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e0\u05d5\u05d2\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05de\u05d9 \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d4, \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e1\u05dc\u05d5\u05d4\u05d5 – Drawn water that was on the side of the mikvah, even though this water touches the mikvah water, it does not invalidate it.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7<\/b><\/p>\n

Mechaber<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

\u05e9\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d6\u05d5 \u05dc\u05de\u05e2\u05dc\u05d4 \u05de\u05d6\u05d5 \u05d5\u05db\u05d5\u05ea\u05dc \u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05d4\u05df \u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05d3 \u05de\u05d4\u05df \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05d4 \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05db\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea\u05d4 \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05d4\u05dd – Two pools one on top of\/<\/b>next to<\/span> the other and they are separated by a wall, one filled with kosher water, <\/b>however less than the requisite 40 <\/span>seah<\/span><\/i>,<\/span> the other with drawn water and there is a hole between them, \u00a0\u05d0\u05dd \u05d9\u05e9 \u05db\u05e0\u05d2\u05d3 \u05d4\u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df, \u05e0\u05e4\u05e1\u05dc\u05d4. – If there is 3 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b> of water against the hole, they are invalid. \u00a0\u05db\u05de\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d5\u05d9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d5 \u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05df, \u05d0\u05d7\u05d3 \u05de\u05e9\u05dc\u05e9 \u05de\u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05dc\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 – How much is needed in the hole for it to have 3 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b>? 1 in 320 to the pool.<\/b><\/p>\n

1 <\/b>Seah = <\/i><\/b>6 <\/b>kav = <\/i><\/b>4 <\/b>lugin <\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

40 <\/b>Seah <\/i><\/b>= 960 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

960\/3 = 320<\/b>th<\/b> of 40 <\/b>Seah <\/i><\/b>= 3 <\/b>lugin<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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