{"id":2280,"date":"2021-07-01T18:22:44","date_gmt":"2021-07-01T18:22:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2280"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:49","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:49","slug":"shiur-sukkah-23a-06-29-21","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2280","title":{"rendered":"Shiur Sukkah 23a 06\/29\/21"},"content":{"rendered":"

BS\u201dD\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Sukkah 23a\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Tamuz 19, 7581. June 29, 2021<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a01- We continued with controversial passage in the \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u201d\u05dc about the \u05d0\u05e1\u05de\u05db\u05ea\u05d0 concept. See previous shiur.<\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Thank’s to Dani Chitrik for the link to the discussion regarding the <\/span>Problem with Likkutei Maharil – Mi Yodeya.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

Another link<\/a><\/span> with links to two scholarly articles about the above.<\/span><\/p>\n

2- Surprisingly, the \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd\u00a0 writes explicitly that \u201cif one hears a Halacha\u2019 and it seems to him to be correct, he may tell others that \u2018this Halachah was said by a great and accepted Rav<\/strong>\u2019 if this will cause people to accept it!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

See here: <\/span>OC 156, <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u05e9\u05de\u05e2 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05e0\u05e8\u05d0\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05db\u05da \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d0\u05de\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc \u05db\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05d9 \u05d3\u05dc\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1\u05dc\u05d9 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05d4<\/b><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/b>[\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0\u05f4\u05d0 \u05d5\u05e4\u05e1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e7\u05d9\u05f4\u05d1] \u05d5\u05d1\u05e1\u05d5\u05e3 \u05de\u05e1\u05db\u05ea \u05db\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0 \u05d4\u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e9\u05dd \u05d7\u05db\u05dd \u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d5 \u05de\u05de\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d2\u05d5\u05e8\u05dd \u05dc\u05e9\u05db\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05e9\u05ea\u05e1\u05ea\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d5\u05db\u05f4\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05f4\u05d6 \u05e2\u05f4\u05e9 \u05d5\u05e6\u05f4\u05e2.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Can<\/p>\n

3- A sukkah on a truck. <\/span><\/p>\n

Although the our Mishnah permits it the Pri Megadim, OC 628, 4, says that it is only Kosher while <\/span>parked<\/b>. A Sukkah atop of a <\/span>moving <\/i><\/b>truck or flat bed is not considered a proper Sukkah. The \u05d1\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 disagrees.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"World&#39;s<\/p>\n

We mentioned it seems from the Alter Rebbe 628, 4, that he would agree with the Pri Megodim. <\/span><\/p>\n

\"About<\/p>\n

That is interesting for all the Chabad Sukka mobiles.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Rabbi<\/p>\n

4- We scratched the surface of the huge topic of \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e8\u05d0\u05d5\u05d9 \u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df \u05e0\u05e7\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e8\u05d0\u05d5\u05d9 \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 .<\/span><\/p>\n

Such as a Sukkah on a tree top. \u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df one cannot climb on a tree on Shabbos or Yom Tov.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"11<\/p>\n

If however one does use this tree-top Sukkah, did he fulfill the \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4? Or perhaps since the \u05d7\u05db\u05de\u05d9\u05dd enacted their \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 they uprooted this particular \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4\u00a0 and one is not \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0\u00a0 even \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

More on this topic BL\u201dN next week.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

5- Interesting question from the Maharil:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df one cannot climb a tree or ride atop of an animal on Shabbos or Yom Tov.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"RABBI<\/p>\n

Similarly, one is prohibited to read in front of a burning candle on Shabbos. The \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 is that inadvertently he may adjust the flickering wick when needed.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Jews<\/p>\n

However two people reading together may use a single candle to read since one will remind the other of the prohibition to adjust the wick.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Asks\u00a0 the Maharil;\u00a0 would this permit <\/span>two <\/b>people to climb a tree at the same time or riding an animal together?<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Oklahoma<\/p>\n

See here the <\/span>\u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd<\/span><\/a> OC 285, 5, that answers that the leniency of two reading by candlelight applies on when learning. It would not apply to joy riding or tree climbing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

So two people climbing a tree to eat in a Sukkah would be OK?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

To be continued…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

BS\u201dD\u00a0 Sukkah 23a\u00a0 Tamuz 19, 7581. June 29, 2021 \u00a01- We continued with controversial passage in the \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u201d\u05dc about the \u05d0\u05e1\u05de\u05db\u05ea\u05d0 concept. See previous shiur.\u00a0 Thank’s to Dani Chitrik for the link to the discussion regarding the Problem with Likkutei Maharil – Mi Yodeya. Another link with links to two scholarly articles about the above. … Continue reading Shiur Sukkah 23a 06\/29\/21<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2280","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2280","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2280"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2280\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4107,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2280\/revisions\/4107"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2280"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2280"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2280"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}