{"id":2346,"date":"2021-07-29T19:08:57","date_gmt":"2021-07-29T19:08:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2346"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:49","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:49","slug":"shiur-sukkah-24a-b-07-27-21","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2346","title":{"rendered":"Shiur Sukkah 24a-b 07\/27\/21"},"content":{"rendered":"

BS\u201dD<\/span><\/p>\n

Suka 24a-b<\/span><\/p>\n

Menachem Av 18, 7581. 07\/ 27\/2021<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We concluded the \u05e1\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05d0\u00a0 of Breira and continued.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The Gemore reverses itself and states another reason Reb Meir says that one cannot use an animal as a Sukkah wall.\u00a0 It’s (not because the animal may die or run away, but) because the definition of a \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 is something made of a material that humans can construct. Such as stone…<\/span>\"Old<\/p>\n

or wood.<\/p>\n

\"Old<\/p>\n

That criterion excludes a wall created by an animal.<\/p>\n

\"Global<\/p>\n

2- The Gemore continues explaining the end of the Beraisa where Reb Yosi HaGlili says that one cannot write a divorce on an animal.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

[In passing, we spoke about the Tosafos in Shabbos 152b, mentioned a few Shiurim ago<\/a>, that the we find in Shas case studies of Halachos that are far fetched]\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Our Gemara goes back and forth trying to explain the reasoning of Reb Yosi HaGlili and the opposing opinion of the\u00a0 \u05d7\u05db\u05de\u05d9\u05dd that allow such a \u05d2\u05d8.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

At one point the Gemore says that \u2018one would think\u2019 that just as with \u05e7\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9\u05df,\u00a0 to get married, one gives his bride \u05db\u05e1\u05e3, similarly, one can divorce a wife with \u05db\u05e1\u05e3!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Thirty<\/p>\n

Rashi explains that in theory it would work with the husband<\/em> giving his wife\u00a0 \u05db\u05e1\u05e3.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The Sfas Emes differs and says that logic would say that it would be the woman<\/strong> <\/em>giving the husband \u05db\u05e1\u05e3.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Why? When the marriage begins, the husband in a sense \u2018buys\u2019 her, with the \u05db\u05e1\u05e3 making the \u05e7\u05e0\u05d9\u05df.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

When the divorce occurs, she is \u2018buys\u2019 herself back from him, therefore she needs to \u2018pay\u2019 her husband.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"For<\/p>\n

3- We mentioned the Rosh Yeshiva\u05ea in 770 for many years, Reb Yisroel Piekarski.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In his Shiurim would always he mentioned his illustrious Rebbe, <\/span>Reb Arye Fromer<\/span><\/a>, known as the Kozlogover Rov<\/a>, who became the Rosh Yeshiva of the Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin after the passing of Reb Meir Shapiro. \u00a0<\/span>See a biography here.\u00a0<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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In one of his shiurim Rabbi Piekarski said that his Rebbe had a novel idea to explain the concept of \u05d7\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4. As we know, the marriage is a two step process.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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Rabbi Piekarski at Kinus Torah in 770 in 5734\/1974<\/em><\/p>\n

First the \u05e7\u05e0\u05d9\u05df, which is usually done with \u05db\u05e1\u05e3. The second is the couple living as one union in a home.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

This second part is symbolized by the \u05d7\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4 with the bride and groom standing under one canopy and then entering the \u05d7\u05d3\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d3.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

But Rav says (Kesubos 3a) \u05d7\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4 can accomplish both step simultaneously.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The \u05e7\u05e0\u05d9\u05df and \u201cliving as one\u201d.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

How does \u05d7\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4 create a \u05e7\u05e0\u05d9\u05df? Suggests the Kozlogover Rov, that it acts like a \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Boy<\/p>\n

And just as one is \u05e7\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 an animal by bringing it into his \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8, similarly one is \u05e7\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 his wife with \u05d7\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4 – \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8\u2026\u2026..<\/span><\/p>\n

4- Our Gemore discusses the idea that the Torah calls the \u05d2\u05d8 a \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8<\/strong> \u05db\u05e8\u05d9\u05ea\u05d5\u05ea<\/strong>. Book of disengagement.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n

Does it mean it needs to be written on paper or parchment or any material works?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u05e9\u05d8\u05e8 \u05d2\u05d8- \u05d5\u05d5\u05d0\u05d3\u05d2’\u05d0\u05df \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05e7\u05d5 \u05ea”\u05e9<\/em><\/p>\n

In general – what does \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8<\/strong> mean?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We mentioned in passing the famous case brought to the \u05e0\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 about a dispute of an estate.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In short – a father wrote in his will that he is gifting to one of his sons \u201chalf my house and my \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd\u2019. Included in his collection of \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd, was\u00a0 a \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8 \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

After his passing, the other brother claimed that the \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8 \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 was not included in his father\u2019s gift since \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd means only printed books!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

See here – the \u05e0\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 shrugs of this reasoning<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

\u05e0\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05de\u05d2 ,\u05d7\u05d5\u05e9\u05df \u05de\u05e9\u05e4\u05d8, \u05de\u05d4\u05d3\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d0 –\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\"Ancient<\/p>\n

On the contrary, he writes, the word \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8 means primarily <\/em><\/strong>a \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8 \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4. We \u2018borrow\u2019 this word and use it for printed books.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

5- Speaking of marriage and divorce, we mentioned the \u05de\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 of the Alter Rebbe where he quotes the Midrash story of the couple that were childless and Rashbi suggested to them to get divorced. He added that this divorce should be done with the same fanfare as the wedding.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Here<\/a> is a link to the \u05de\u05d0\u05de\u05e8.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We mentioned the humorous addition to this story from the Magid Sholom Shvadron about what they wrote on the invitation inviting all to the divorce party\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n

\"A<\/p>\n

6- We spoke of the weird results of a \u05e0\u05d3\u05e8 being annulled. Ran in Nedorim, 85a. To be continued.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d3\u05d4\u05ea\u05e0\u05df \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05d4\u05d0\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc \u05ea\u05e0\u05d0\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05e0\u05d3\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05e0\u05de\u05e6\u05d0\u05d5 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05e0\u05d3\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9\u05ea \u05d5\u05de\u05d3\u05e7\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9\u05ea \u05de\u05e9\u05de\u05e2 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9\u05ea \u05db\u05dc\u05dc \u05d5\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e0\u05e9\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d0\u05d7\u05e8 \u05d0\u05e2”\u05d2 \u05d3\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05d0 \u05d4\u05ea\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc \u05d7\u05db\u05dd \u05d5\u05d4\u05ea\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d4\u05dc\u05da \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc \u05d7\u05db\u05dd \u05d5\u05d4\u05ea\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9\u05ea \u05d0\u05dc\u05de\u05d0 \u05d0\u05e2”\u05d2 \u05d3\u05de\u05e6\u05d9 \u05de\u05d9\u05ea\u05e9\u05d9\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9 \u05dc\u05de\u05e4\u05e8\u05e2 \u05db\u05dc \u05d0\u05d9\u05de\u05ea \u05d3\u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05d9\u05ea\u05e9\u05d9\u05dc \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05d3\u05dc\u05de\u05d0 \u05de\u05d9\u05ea\u05e9\u05d9\u05dc<\/p>\n

7 – We ended off with the Tosafos that mentions the story of Tamar who was the daughter of \u05e9\u05dd the son of \u05e0\u05d7.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d1\u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d9\u05ea \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05e4\u05d4, \u05d9<\/p>\n

\u05d0\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05de\u05e7\u05e9\u05d0\u05d4 \u05ea\u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5 \u05e9\u05dc \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8 \u05ea\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e9\u05dc \u05e9\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05d4<\/strong> \u05d3\u05db\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1 (\u05d5\u05d9\u05e7\u05e8\u05d0 \u05db\u05d0) \u05d5\u05d1\u05ea \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05dc\u05e4\u05d9\u05db\u05da \u05d4\u05d5\u05e6\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05d4 \u05d5\u05ea\u05e9\u05e8\u05e3<\/p>\n

As a few pointed out, if one makes the calculation, Tamar, who married both of Yehuda\u2019s sons was older that Yehuda himself!<\/span><\/p>\n

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