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BSD<\/span><\/p>\n

Suka 32a<\/span><\/p>\n

Teves 24, 5782. December 28, 2021<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We added another point to conclude last week\u2019s shiur regarding a Lulav that was worshiped as \u05e2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d6\u05e8\u05d4. The Gemara says that \u05d1\u05d3\u05d9\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3 one is \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Tosafos explains that it is referring to a Lulav of a Goy, thus there is no obligation to burn it since the Goy can be \u05de\u05d1\u05d8\u05dc this \u05e2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d6\u05e8\u05d4.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"It&#39;s<\/p>\n

In passing, Tosafos mentions that a Lulav that is growing on a tree that is \u05e2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d6\u05e8\u05d4, once it is cut, it loses its \u05e2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d6\u05e8\u05d4 status.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We mentioned the Maharsham (1, 1) that quotes the<\/span> \u05d0\u05d3\u05e8\u201d\u05ea<\/span><\/a> who brings proof from this that the \u05d0\u05e8\u05d1\u05e2 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd cannot be used while attached to the ground!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

It would seem this is a theoretical question since it would be hardly possible that all 4 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd would be growing together to be used at one time.\u00a0 See also the \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd (end of 653) that discusses this question. Also the \u05e6\u05dc\u201d\u05d7 (Shabbos 131a).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We mentioned that perhaps if all 4 grew in one pot \u05e2\u05e6\u05d9\u05e5 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e0\u05e7\u05d5\u05d1. One would pick up the pot and make a \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 and \u05e0\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd\u2026..<\/span><\/p>\n

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2- We went thru the various types of splits and cracks in a Lulav that make it \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

3- Since the Torah does not say explicitly to use a Lulav- it just says ‘branches of palm’,\u00a0 \u05db\u05e4\u05d5\u05ea \u05ea\u05de\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd, the Gemara suggests that perhaps it may mean other parts of the palm tree.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Date<\/p>\n

\u05db\u05e4\u05ea \u05ea\u05de\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd?<\/em><\/p>\n

One idea, is to use the bottom part of the tree itself. Our Gemara dismisses this suggestion since the tusk of the palm tree has thorns that would make it not pleasant to hold. This would be contrary to the idea that the Torah\u2019s Mitzvos are pleasant. \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05dd.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"The<\/p>\n

4- We mentioned a Rav that attempted to use this concept and was total told off by Reb Yakov Etlinger,\u00a0 who we mentioned many times in the past quoting from his \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd – \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8, \u05d1\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 , \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The question was concerning a widow who got married prior to obtaining\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 from her deceased husband\u2019s brother.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Halizah<\/span>\u00a0If she gets married before <\/i>the \u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 the \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 is that she still need to get \u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4, but must first obtain a Get from her new husband and only then get \u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 from her husband\u2019s brother. She cannot go back to her second husband.<\/p>\n

\"peaceful<\/p>\n

\u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9 \u05e0\u05e2\u05dd\u00a0\u05d5\u05db\u05dc \u05e0\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea\u05d9\u05d4 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d5\u05dd<\/p>\n

A certain Rav wanted to find a way for her to stay with her 2nd husband by doing the\u00a0 \u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 while she was still married. In short- one of the arguments he used was that at that time obtaining a legal divorce took many years.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Nevada<\/span><\/p>\n

Waiting…<\/em><\/p>\n

So waiting for the divorce would be \u2018unpleasant\u2019 for the woman. This Rav invoked \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05dd, meaning the Halachah must take into consideration the comfort of human.<\/span><\/p>\n

Reb Yakov<\/span><\/a>\u00a0 (\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df 148) comes out very harshly against the entire episode (seems this \u00a0Rav allowed her to marry before the \u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4). As to using \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05dd to alter accepted \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4, is ludicrous he says. The \u05d7\u05db\u05de\u05d9\u05dd used this concept to prove the details of a Mitzva when there are two alternatives – one in way that the performance of the Mitzva would be pleasant and the other unpleasant.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

“\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d6\u05d4 \u05d3\u05de\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05db\u05dc\u05dc \u05de\u05d7\u05de\u05ea \u05db\u05de\u05d4 \u05d8\u05e2\u05de\u05d9\u05dd: \u2013 \u05d4\u05d0’ \u2013 \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d3\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df \u05dc\u05d0\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8 …..\u05d3\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0”\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

\u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05dd is used to prove that the Torah meant the pleasant way only.<\/span><\/p>\n

In the case of the \u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4, there is another way; such as traveling to another country to get divorced, or for the husband to look for another wife\u2026.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Amazing<\/p>\n

5- Speaking of quirky questions (and of the recent suicide of a popular figure) we mentioned the \u05e9\u05d0\u05dc\u05d4<\/a> presented to Reb Ezriel Hildesheim:<\/span><\/p>\n

Someone who attempted suicide, like jumping into the ocean. Miraculously, he was saved\u2026like a fish swallowed him and then spit him out. \u05d9\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"The<\/p>\n

Thanks for the lift!<\/em><\/p>\n

Does he have to make a \u05d4\u05d2\u05d5\u05de\u05dc asked this fellow? Is it not a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e2\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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\"\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd<\/p>\n

6- We concluded the \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u00a0of a Lulav that didn\u2019t have leaves to cover the entire spine of the Lulav. Question is if most of the Lulav was covered and one spot was not.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\u05e4\u05d5\u05e8\u05d8\u05dc<\/p>\n

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The opinion of the Alter Rebbe 645, and the Mishna Brurah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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BSD Suka 32a Teves 24, 5782. December 28, 2021 1- We added another point to conclude last week\u2019s shiur regarding a Lulav that was worshiped as \u05e2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d6\u05e8\u05d4. The Gemara says that \u05d1\u05d3\u05d9\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3 one is \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0.\u00a0 Tosafos explains that it is referring to a Lulav of a Goy, thus there is no obligation to burn … Continue reading Shiur Sukkah 32a 12\/28\/21<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2554","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2554","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2554"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2554\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4184,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2554\/revisions\/4184"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2554"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2554"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2554"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}