{"id":2594,"date":"2022-01-19T23:03:16","date_gmt":"2022-01-19T23:03:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2594"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","slug":"shiur-sukkah-33a-01-18-2022","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2594","title":{"rendered":"shiur Sukkah 33a 01\/18\/2022"},"content":{"rendered":"

BSD<\/span><\/p>\n

Suka\u00a0 33a.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Shvat 17, 5782. \u00a001\/18\/2022<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We once again<\/a> began to discuss a global <\/span><\/p>\n

Sha\u201ds topic. <\/span>\u05d9\u05e9 \u05d3\u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9 \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05ea, \u05d0\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d0<\/b><\/p>\n

YESH DICHUY ETZEL MITZVOS or EIN DICHUY ETZEL MITZVOS<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

In general it means:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

“Pushed off.” This concept applies to cases in which a specific object is chosen for the fulfillment of a Mitzvah. If at one point, the item is unfit for use as required, then Dichuy says that it may no longer be used,\u00a0 even if afterwards it becomes fit.\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

\"Myrtle<\/p>\n

Hadas which grew a Tamar on Yom Tov<\/em><\/p>\n

If, for example, one sanctifies an animal that has a Mum (blemish), this Dichuy idea\u00a0 would not allow that animal to be offered upon the Mizbe’ach even <\/span><\/i>after <\/i><\/b>it has healed.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

This wide ranging topic has many many facets.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

2- Pertaining to our Gemara – To simplify the concept we chose an example that is a bit humorous. A fellow walks into shul on the first day of Sukkos and shows off his Lulav. He points out that this year he was able to acquire some \u2018designer\u2019 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1\u05d9\u05dd\u2026. Not only are the\u00a0 leaves a bright neon green , they are also adorned with red berries!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Detail<\/p>\n

The Rov points out to him that since there are more berries than leaves, his designer \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1\u05d9\u05dd are \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc. As we learned in the Mishna on 32b, –<\/span> If it has more berries than leaves – \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc<\/b><\/p>\n

So this fellow walks out of Shul with his Lulav, and quietly bites off the berries. [If he ate them, then he made a \u05e9\u05d4\u05db\u05dc as per last week\u2019s shiur. And he ate them in a Sukkah\u2026.]\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Man<\/p>\n

He walks back, all smiles, into the Shul. ..<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

3- So the question now is: What is the status of such a Lulav?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Here is where <\/span>\u05d3\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9 \u05d0\u05e6\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05ea <\/b>comes into play.<\/span> Since, prior to his removing the berries, the Lulav was \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc, can it be brought \u2018back to life\u2019 or not. If one accepts the idea of \u05d3\u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9, that would mean that such a Lulav can never be re-Koshered.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Bring<\/p>\n

Brought back to life<\/em><\/p>\n

[The other issue is that he Koshered his Lulav by default. Since it was already bound, and \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc, his Lulav became Kosher indirectly – \u05ea\u05e2\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05e2\u05e9\u05d5\u05d9. More on this next Shiur IY\u201dH]<\/span><\/p>\n

4- In regards to \u05e7\u05d3\u05e9\u05d9\u05dd this <\/span>\u05d3\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9 <\/b>concept is accepted by all. Example: If on the way to pour blood on the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7, the Kohen temporarily hands the bowl to an \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc, the blood is considered \u05d3\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9. [see Zevochim 34b].
\nOr if in the middle of the \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df process the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7 becomes \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc and is then repaired. \u05d3\u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

However in regards to \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05ea, Rav Yirmiya is unsure. Are \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05ea like \u05e7\u05d3\u05e9\u05d9\u05dd\/\u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea or not?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

5- We mentioned the fundamental idea from the Rosh. His explanation is the basis for this discussion.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In Short: In \u05e7\u05d3\u05e9\u05d9\u05dd, we are dealing with an <\/span>object<\/b>. If the item becomes invalid, even if only temporarily, it cannot come back to its original state. \u05d9\u05e9 \u05d3\u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Siyum<\/p>\n

In regards to\u00a0 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05ea however, it is the <\/span>person <\/i><\/b>that is \u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1, and whether or not the object is valid to use or not, his personal \u05d7\u05d9\u05d5\u05d1 never changed.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

6- We mentioned another interesting example, this one involving the \u2018time\u2019 factor of a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05d4.\u00a0 A family is on a cruise ship, making Aliyah to \u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc. Once they arrive, they will become Israelis and need to keep only <\/span>one <\/b>day of Yom Tov.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Photos:<\/p>\n

Arriving at Haifa<\/em><\/p>\n

[We digressed to discuss this topic and <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05de\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2 \u05d7\u05d1\u201d\u05d3, and will bl\u201dn talk about it next week. Very interesting topic].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

This family arrives early in the morning on the second day of Yom Tov.\u00a0 Before disembarking, they were \u2018from\u00a0 \u05d7\u05d5\u05e5 \u05dc\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u2018 and needed to keep two days Yom Tov. They made Kiddush the night before.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

They get off the boat and realize the men have not davened yet. Had they davened on the boat they would not put on Tefillin since they are still in Yom Tov mode. Now, when they set foot in \u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc, since it is a regular weekday, they need to daven with \u05ea\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d9\u05df.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Simple enough.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Or\u2026.. maybe not!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Since at the beginning of the day (the time frame for \u05ea\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d9\u05df) they were \u05e4\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8, perhaps the concept of \u05d3\u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9\u00a0 would cause a \u05e4\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 for the rest of the day!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

7- We spoke about the \u05de\u05d7\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7\u05ea of the Maharam of Rutenberg and his student the\u00a0<\/span>\u05e8\u05d0”\u05e9, concerning a boy who became a \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc during \u05e9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d4 R\u201dL. Prior to becoming a Gadol,\u00a0 he was not obligated to sit \u05e9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d4. If the idea of \u05d3\u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d9 applies to \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05ea as well, he may not need to sit \u05e9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d4\u00a0 at all. \u00a0Rosh MK, 3, 96.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Misaskim<\/p>\n

8- Also discussed was a boy becoming Bar Mitzvah in the middle of Shabbos, meaning that for the first few hours of Shabbos he didn\u2019t have a \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea at the \u05d3\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0 level. What is his Shabbos status <\/span>after <\/span><\/i>becoming a \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

9 – We concluded with discussing the human nature to forget….. and the \u05de\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2 to close the \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8\u00a0 when stepping out of the room.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Difference<\/p>\n

The Sha”ch (<\/span>YD 277<\/span><\/a>) writes that the ‘demon’ that causes to forget one’s learning is called Shin Daled. \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9\u05df. <\/span>Keeper of the Pages . <\/span><\/i>Therefore one should always close the sefer prior to leaving the room.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

10 – We mentioned what the Arizal (EC 15) says that the demon’s name is\u00a0 MAS. \u05de”\u05e1. Which equals 100. He connects it with the Gemora in Chaggiga (9a) about the importance of learning everything 101 times. By reviewing one more than 100, he overpowers this demon (100)\u00a0 and will not forget. See Tanya chapter 15.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"101<\/p>\n

…\u05d5\u05d1\u05d6\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d5\u05d1\u05df \u05de”\u05e9 \u05d1\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d5\u05d1\u05d3 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d4\u05d9\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05de\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e9\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7\u05d5 \u05de\u05d0\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e2\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05d3<\/p>\n

\u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d8\u05d5, \u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05d0<\/em><\/p>\n

11 – We concluded with the <\/span><\/p>\n

\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e7\u05e8<\/span><\/p>\n

(\u00a0 \u00a0\u05d5\u05d0\u05ea\u05d7\u05e0\u05df<\/b> \u00a0<\/a>) that points out that the word \u05d6\u05db\u05e8, to remember equals 227. On the other hand, \u05e9\u05db\u05d7 to forget, equals 328. A difference of 101.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Meaning, that forgetfulness has a natural \u00a0advantage over remembering by 101.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

This forgetfulness is overcome by reviewing 101 times!!!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

in his words: Every time one reviews his learning he weakens this \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05da that causes to forget. If he reviews it 101 times, \u00a0he totally weakens this \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05da and enters into the domain of the \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05da that is in charge of remembering.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05db\u05e9\u05d7\u05d6\u05e8 \u05e7”\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e2\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d4\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05e9 \u05db\u05dc \u05db\u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05ea\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05e0\u05db\u05e0\u05e1 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05d9\u05d3 \u05d4\u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05da \u05d4\u05de\u05de\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05d6\u05db\u05e8\u05d5\u05df \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05e9\u05db\u05d7 \u05e2\u05d5\u05d3.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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