{"id":2868,"date":"2022-07-06T22:06:01","date_gmt":"2022-07-06T22:06:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2868"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","slug":"shiur-sukkah-39b-40a-07-05-20222","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2868","title":{"rendered":"Shiur Sukkah 39b-40a 07\/05\/2022"},"content":{"rendered":"

BS\u201dD<\/span><\/p>\n

Sukkah 39b – 40a<\/span><\/p>\n

Tamuz 6, 5782. July 5th, 2022<\/span><\/p>\n

Some brief notes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We reviewed the issue of purchasing the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd in the year of \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05d8\u05d4 and afterwards. Who to purchase from and how to designate the payment.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\u05d0\u05d9\u05e9<\/p>\n

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\"tienda<\/p>\n

2- Continuing on the topic of doing business with \u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea, we read the text of the Yerushalmi that if one prepares for a wedding and has \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05d8\u05d4 produce left over he may sell them as that is not considered \u2018ordinary business\u2019.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"What<\/p>\n

3- The designation of produce that begins to grow in one year but are picked in the next year. Fruits are identified and labeled by they year they <\/span>blossom<\/b>. Vegetable are identified by the year they are <\/span>picked<\/b>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"19<\/p>\n

The identity of an Esrog. Is it a fruit or vegetable? It grows on a tree, however, being a citrus tree it needs to be watered manually. (just like vegetables).\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Water<\/p>\n

Mendel Nemanov sent this interesting link regarding whether a tomato is a fruit or vegetable:<\/span><\/p>\n

https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nix_v._Hedden<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

4- We discussed the various levels of \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05d8\u05d4 observance.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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Starting at the top:<\/span><\/p>\n

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  1. Eating only imported fruits or vegetable. <\/span><\/li>\n
  2. Buying from non-Jewish farmers.<\/li>\n
  3. Otzar Beis Din<\/li>\n
  4. Utilizing the \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8 \u05de\u05db\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

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    1. \"\u05db\u05e9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

      https:\/\/www.israelnationalnews.com\/news\/309465<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

      We discussed Reb Shlomo Zalman Ohrbach’s interesting query based on our Gemara.<\/span> \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05d0, \u05de\u05d3<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

      \"\"<\/p>\n

      Say someone keeps level 2, and buys produce only from Arabs, or level 3. Can he buy in the market from a stall that sells \u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea at level 4?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

      \"Afghans<\/p>\n

      What is the issue? The buyer will treat them with \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea. Is giving the money to someone that is at level 4 a problem? Is he, the seller, considered (to a level 2 guy) an \u05e2\u05dd \u05d4\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 that one is not permitted to give \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea money?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

      There\u2019s more…<\/span><\/p>\n

      5- Our Gemara, to prove that the word <\/span>\u05de\u05df<\/b> can also mean food, quotes the \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05e7 from Daniel:<\/span><\/p>\n

      \u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05b0<\/span>\u05de\u05b7\u05df <\/span>\u05dc\u05b8\u05d4\u05b6\u05dd \u05d4\u05b7\u05de\u05b6\u05bc\u05dc\u05b6\u05da\u05b0 \u05d3\u05b0\u05bc\u05d1\u05b7\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d5\u05b9\u05dd \u05d1\u05b0\u05bc\u05d9\u05d5\u05b9\u05de\u05d5\u05b9 \u05de\u05b4\u05e4\u05b7\u05bc\u05ea \u05d1\u05b7\u05bc\u05d2 \u05d4\u05b7\u05de\u05b6\u05bc\u05dc\u05b6\u05da\u05b0<\/strong> \u05d5\u05bc\u05de\u05b4\u05d9\u05b5\u05bc\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05b4\u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05ea\u05b8\u05bc\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d5\u05bc\u05dc\u05b0\u05d2\u05b7\u05d3\u05b0\u05bc\u05dc\u05b8\u05dd \u05e9\u05b8\u05c1\u05e0\u05b4\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05b8\u05c1\u05dc\u05d5\u05b9\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d5\u05bc\u05de\u05b4\u05e7\u05b0\u05e6\u05b8\u05ea\u05b8\u05dd \u05d9\u05b7\u05e2\u05b7\u05de\u05b0\u05d3\u05d5\u05bc \u05dc\u05b4\u05e4\u05b0\u05e0\u05b5\u05d9 \u05d4\u05b7\u05de\u05b6\u05bc\u05dc\u05b6\u05da\u05b0.<\/span><\/p>\n

      The king allotted daily rations to them from the king\u2019s food and from the wine he drank. They were to be educated for three years, and some of them at the end of which they\u00a0<\/span>were to enter the king\u2019s service.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

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      Daniel, Chananiah Mishael and Azaria in the court of the king<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

      We discussed the story behind this \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05e7 and mentioned that perhaps this is the first time that non-Jews recognized the talents of Jews and elevated them to high positions in government.
      \nMentioned the often tragic result of this \u05e8\u05f4\u05dc.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

      6- Mentioned that the Tur OC 428 uses this as a \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05df as to when \u05e0\u05e6\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd and \u05d5\u05d9\u05dc\u05da are separated into two \u05e4\u05e8\u05e9\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea. So too writes the \u05de\u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d5\u05d9\u05d8\u05e8\u05d9!\u00a0<\/a> See this shiur<\/a> where we spoke about it.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n