{"id":2898,"date":"2022-07-21T19:38:38","date_gmt":"2022-07-21T19:38:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2898"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","slug":"shiur-sukkah-40b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2898","title":{"rendered":"Shiur Sukkah 40b 07\/19\/2022"},"content":{"rendered":"

BSD<\/span><\/p>\n

Suka 40b<\/span><\/p>\n

Tammuz 20, 5782. July 19th, 2022<\/span><\/p>\n

1- The Shiur was about the general practice of \u05e4\u05d3\u05d9\u05d5\u05df and \u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Pesachim<\/p>\n

We spoke about this interesting process and why it works with some items and others not.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

For example – fruits of \u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 can be \u2018transferred\u2019 to cash. \u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05d4 and \u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8 cannot.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Cash<\/span><\/p>\n

The \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4 of an animal designated for a \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df cannot be transferred, but if has a blemish and was donated to \u05d1\u05d3\u05e7 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea it can be sold and the proceeds become \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\u05d1\u05d3\u05e7<\/p>\n

2- We mentioned the interesting Halacha on the process of redeeming \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9. Say someone living in South Dakota, donates a bracelet to \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9. It can be to his Shul or \u05d1\u05d6\u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea towards \u05d1\u05d3\u05e7 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Donations<\/p>\n

The \u00a0 \u05d2\u05d1\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd of the Shul or \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 opt to sell the bracelet and use the cash for whatever is needed in the Shul or \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9. The process is that it needs <\/span>first to be appraised properly, a value established and then sold. \u05d4\u05e2\u05de\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05db\u05d4.<\/p>\n

\"Jewish<\/p>\n

What if the donor insists that his gift not be sold now but rather during the gift giving holiday season where a better price can be obtained? Or if \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 wants to send this bracelet to LA where a higher price can be fetched for it? In both scenarios \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 will gain.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The Mishna in \u05e2\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05df says (6, 5 ) that <\/span>\u05d0\u05b5\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05b7\u05d4\u05b6\u05e7\u05b0\u05d3\u05b5\u05bc\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d0\u05b6\u05dc\u05b8\u05bc\u05d0 \u05de\u05b0\u05e7\u05d5\u05b9\u05de\u05d5\u05b9 \u05d5\u05b0\u05e9\u05b7\u05c1\u05e2\u05b0\u05ea\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9. Meaning that the appraisal and sale of such items must to be done on location and time of the appraisal. The reason is that any delay may cause it never to be done.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e0\u05db\u05e1\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05d4\u05de\u05d4 \u05d5\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05de\u05e8\u05d2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d4\u05ea\u05d2\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05dd \u05d9\u05dc\u05e7\u05d7 \u05dc\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3 \u05d6\u05d4 \u05db\u05e1\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d9\u05dd \u05de\u05e9\u05d1\u05d7 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05de\u05d0\u05d4. \u05d5\u05e4\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d6\u05d0\u05ea \u05d0\u05dd \u05d9\u05de\u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d0\u05d8\u05dc\u05e1 \u05de\u05e9\u05d1\u05d7\u05ea \u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d4. \u05d5\u05de\u05e8\u05d2\u05dc\u05d9\u05ea \u05d6\u05d5 \u05d0\u05dd \u05de\u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea\u05d4 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05dd \u05e4\u05dc\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9 \u05ea\u05e9\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de\u05de\u05d5\u05df \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d5\u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d5\u05d4 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05e2\u05d8. \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d4\u05df. \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05db\u05d9\u05e6\u05d3 \u05e2\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05d5\u05db\u05e8\u05d9\u05df \u05d4\u05db\u05dc \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05de\u05d5 \u05d5\u05d1\u05e9\u05e2\u05ea\u05d5 \u05db\u05de\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05d5\u05e0\u05ea\u05df \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05db\u05da \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d4’ \u05dc\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea \u05db\u05dc \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e9\u05dc \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05e4\u05e8\u05db\u05e1\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea\u05d5 \u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05de\u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d5 \u05dc\u05e9\u05d5\u05e7 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea\u05d5 \u05de\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05dd \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05dd \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05de\u05d5 \u05d5\u05e9\u05e2\u05ea\u05d5:<\/p>\n

Rambam Erchin 3, 19.\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n

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\"How<\/p>\n

3 – In regards to \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea \u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea we know that it can be transferred to money or another food item. <\/span><\/p>\n

The two process that work on \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 are:<\/span><\/p>\n

A-\u00a0 Simple \u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\/ transfer.\u00a0 \u2018May the \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4 of this object (that is )\u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9, be transferred to this object\u2019. The \u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9 object becomes \u05d7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df and the \u05d7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df object now becomes \u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"7,769<\/p>\n

B- A <\/span>sale <\/b>of the an object that is \u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9. The buyer pays the \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9. The money becomes \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 and the object becomes \u05d7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The dispute in our \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 between Reb Elazar and Reb Yochanan is what process works with \u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea for this transfer to take effect. Only thru a sale or also with a simple in-house \u05d7\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

4- Our Gemara has sharp words for one that does business with \u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea. Rashi writes that in \u05e2\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05df,\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

(30, b) the full version appears. See below.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

5- We mentioned the vort quoted by Reb Elchanan,<\/a> explaining the comparison of \u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea\u00a0 to \u05d4\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9, that he heard from \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05e2 \u05d6\u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d2\u00a0 from Klimovitch<\/a>!\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n

(More about Klimovitch here<\/a> and here<\/a>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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\u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e2\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d7”\u05d1, \u05db.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u05e6\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d9\u05e8\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d9\u05e4\u05e9\u05d9\u05e5<\/div>\n
\u05d1\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d6\u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d2 \u05dc\u05d9\u05e4\u05e9\u05d9\u05e5. \u05ea\u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05d3 \u05e8”\u05d7<\/div>\n
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From Sefaria :<\/b><\/p>\n

As Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi \u1e24anina, says<\/b> in explanation of the juxtaposition of several passages in the Torah (Leviticus, chapter 25): <\/span>Come and see how severe<\/b> is even <\/span>the hint of<\/b> violation of the prohibition of <\/span>the Sabbatical<\/b> Year, as the prohibition against engaging in commerce with produce of the Sabbatical Year is not one of the primary prohibitions of the Sabbatical Year, and yet its punishment is harsh.<\/span><\/p>\n

Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi \u1e24anina, continues: If <\/span>a person has commercial dealings with produce<\/b> of the <\/span>Sabbatical<\/b> Year or of the Jubilee Year, <\/span>ultimately<\/b> he will become so poor that <\/span>he will<\/b> be compelled to <\/span>sell his movable property, as it is stated: \u201cIn this Jubilee Year you shall return every man to his possession\u201d<\/b> (Leviticus 25:13), <\/span>and it is written<\/b> in the subsequent verse: <\/span>\u201cAnd if you sell something to your neighbor or buy from your neighbor\u2019s hand,\u201d<\/b> which is referring to <\/span>an item acquired<\/b> by passing it <\/span>from hand to hand.<\/b> The juxtaposition of the two verses indicates that if one violates the <\/span>halakhot<\/span><\/i> of the Jubilee Year or the Sabbatical Year, he will eventually have to sell his movable property.<\/span><\/p>\n

If <\/span>he does not feel<\/b> remorse and he does not repent, <\/span>ultimately he will<\/b> be compelled to <\/span>sell his fields, as it is stated<\/b> in an adjacent verse: <\/span>\u201cIf your brother becomes poor and sells part of his ancestral land\u201d<\/b> (Leviticus 25:25).<\/span><\/p>\n

If consciousness of his sins <\/span>does not come to him, ultimately he will<\/b> be compelled to <\/span>sell his house, as it is stated: \u201cAnd if a man sells a dwelling house in a walled city\u201d<\/b> (Leviticus 25:29). The Gemara asks: <\/span>What is different there,<\/b> in the previous clause, <\/span>where<\/b> the <\/span>tanna<\/span><\/i> says<\/b> that the sinner <\/span>does not sense<\/b> remorse, <\/span>and what is different here, where he says<\/b> that consciousness of his sins <\/span>does not come to him?<\/b> The Gemara responds: This is <\/span>in accordance with<\/b> the statement <\/span>of Rav Huna, as Rav Huna says: Once a person commits a transgression and repeats it, it is permitted to him.<\/b><\/p>\n

The Gemara asks: Can it <\/span>enter your mind<\/b> to say that <\/span>it is<\/b> actually <\/span>permitted to him<\/b> because he has transgressed twice? <\/span>Rather, say<\/b> that <\/span>it becomes as<\/b> though it were <\/span>permitted to him,<\/b> that is, after transgressing the prohibition twice he becomes accustomed to this behavior and no longer feels that it is a sin. If one transgresses the prohibition only once, he is apt to feel remorse. Once he repeats his transgression, he loses this sensibility concerning his sins and will no longer feel any remorse.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi \u1e24anina, continues: If consciousness of his sins <\/span>does not come to him, ultimately he<\/b> will be compelled to <\/span>borrow with interest, as it is stated: \u201cAnd if your brother becomes poor<\/b> and his means fail with you, then you shall uphold him\u201d (Leviticus 25:35), <\/span>and it is written<\/b> in the subsequent verse: <\/span>\u201cYou shall take no interest or increase from him.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

One <\/span>does not come to<\/b> borrow with interest <\/span>until he<\/b> has already been compelled to <\/span>sell his daughter, as it is stated: \u201cAnd when a man sells his daughter as a maidservant\u201d<\/b> (Exodus 21:7). The Gemara explains: <\/span>And even though his daughter is not<\/b> mentioned <\/span>in that context<\/b> in Leviticus, nevertheless, <\/span>a person prefers to sell his daughter and not to borrow<\/b> money <\/span>with interest.<\/b> This is <\/span>because there,<\/b> when one sells his daughter, the sum required in order to redeem her <\/span>continuously decreases, while here,<\/b> where one borrows with interest, his debt <\/span>continuously increases.<\/b> One may therefore assume that if one borrows with interest, he has already sold his daughter.<\/span><\/p>\n

If consciousness of his sins <\/span>does not come to him, ultimately he will<\/b> be compelled <\/span>to sell himself, as it is stated: \u201cAnd when your brother becomes poor with you and sells himself to you\u201d<\/b> (Leviticus 25:39). <\/span>Not<\/b> only will he be sold <\/span>to you,<\/b> a born Jew; <\/span>rather,<\/b> he will even be sold <\/span>to a stranger, as it is stated:<\/b> \u201cAnd sells himself <\/span>to the stranger\u201d<\/b> (Leviticus 25:47). <\/span>And not<\/b> only <\/span>to<\/b> a stranger who is <\/span>a convert, but<\/b> even <\/span>to a gentile who resides in Eretz Yisrael and observes the seven Noahide mitzvot [<\/b>ger toshav<\/i><\/b>], as it is stated:<\/b> \u201cAnd sells himself <\/span>to a <\/b>ger toshav<\/i><\/b> with you\u201d (Leviticus 25:47).<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0When the verse further states: \u201cOr to the offshoot of <\/span>a stranger\u2019s family,\u201d this is<\/b> referring to <\/span>the gentile<\/b> relatives of a <\/span>ger toshav<\/span><\/i>, who are idolaters. <\/span>When it says: \u201cOr to the offshoot [<\/b>le\u2019eker<\/i><\/b>] of a stranger\u2019s family,\u201d this is<\/b> referring to <\/span>one who is sold and becomes a servant to idol worship itself,<\/b> i.e., he is put to work in a temple dedicated to idolatry. In any event, the <\/span>baraita<\/span><\/i> teaches that it is only due to an individual\u2019s sins that he reaches such a low point that he must sell himself as a slave. If so, the verses dealing with a Hebrew slave should be interpreted in a stringent manner, so that the slave cannot easily be redeemed.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d1\u05de\u05e9\u05e4\u05d8 \u05ea\u05e4\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d5\u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e6\u05d3\u05e7\u05d4\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n

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