{"id":2911,"date":"2022-08-04T22:58:42","date_gmt":"2022-08-04T22:58:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2911"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:48","slug":"2911","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2911","title":{"rendered":"Shiur Sukkah 41a 08\/02\/22"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BS\u201dD<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sukkah 41a<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Menachem Av 5, 5782. August 2, 2022<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">1 &#8211; We began a new Mishna that discusses the Mitzva of \u05e0\u05d8\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the \u05d3\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0 level:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the \u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 the Mitzva is on all <\/span><b>7 <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">days of Sukkos.\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Anywhere outside the \u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9, in the \u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4, the Mitzva is only on the first day of Sukkos.\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/har-habait.org\/panel\/pic\/har_habait330.jpg\" alt=\"\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d7\u05d3\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea - \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d5\u05ea - \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05de\u05e7\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05e9\u05de\u05d7\u05d4\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">After the \u05d7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05df, it was Reb Yochanon ben Zakai that<a href=\"https:\/\/he.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%9F_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%A0%D7%9F_%D7%91%D7%9F_%D7%96%D7%9B%D7%90%D7%99#cite_note-3\"> instituted<\/a> that the Mitzvah of the Daled Minim is on all 7 days \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So today, on the first day of Sukkos the \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05d4 is Min Hatorah. On the following 6 days it is only \u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">2 &#8211; We discussed the famous \u05de\u05d7\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7\u05ea as to the definition of\u00a0 \u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and \u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4. According to Rashi, \u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9\u00a0 is only the actually area of the \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9. Anywhere outside of the \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 is considered \u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/jewishaction.com\/content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/BHMK1_MUST-USE-ME-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"What Did the Beit Hamikdash Look Like? - Jewish Action\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Rambam disagrees. His opinion is that <\/span><b><i>all <\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">of \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd is considered \u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9. Meaning that in all of \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd, the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd was obligatory on all 7 days \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i.pinimg.com\/564x\/43\/8a\/3d\/438a3d4d555da28a12abfae9a99a1314.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">3 &#8211; Now, after the \u05d7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05df, when no one is in the \u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 area, everyone is in the \u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4, only the first day of Sukkos the \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05d4 is \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4. The other days it are only \u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But the Rambam says that the entire Yerusholayim is \u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com\/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS839iWY1UQDz2y79GQqtzx42RADHn5cLRctj3IIh41QqeQ-w3wRgbhBzy2mLTwysrPwvY&amp;usqp=CAU\" alt=\"\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 - \u05ea\u05de\u05d5\u05e0\u05d8\u05d9\u05d1 - \u05d9\u05d9\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d5\u05e9\u05d9\u05d5\u05d5\u05e7 \u05ea\u05de\u05d5\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d9\u05d4\u05d3\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d5\u05dc\u05e2\u05e1\u05e7\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Discussed the opinion of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jacob_Ettlinger\">\u05d1\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=68\">(OC 658, 7)<\/a> that he sees no reason, according to the Ramabam, for anyone living in \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd, why this \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 is not applicable all 7 days\u00a0 \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 even today!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u05d5\u05de\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d6\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd \u05e2\u05d9\u05d4&#8221;\u05e7 \u05ea\u05d5\u05d1&#8221;\u05d1, \u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05d5\u05df \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea \u05e0\u05d8\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05db\u05dc \u05d6&#8217; \u05d1\u05e1\u05e4\u05e7 \u05d0\u05d9 \u05de\u05d3\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d9 \u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He even suggests that one that lives in \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd and therefore his \u05e0\u05d8\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d4\u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd, is \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4, he should have in mind that he is \u05de\u05e7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd a Mitzva \u05d3\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0!!!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">See<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/beta.hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=68\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">here<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Others disagree.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">4 &#8211; Discussed why, if the 6 days of Sukkos the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd is only \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9, we don&#8217;t say a \u05d4\u05e8\u05d7\u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8 \u05dc\u05e0\u05d5 \u2026.. as we say after \u05e1\u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea \u05d4\u05e2\u05d5\u05de\u05e8.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Also touched on the topic of \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05df and the \u05d7\u05ea\u05dd \u05e1\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8 about perhaps not building homes from stone\/bricks since it shows that we plan to be in \u05d2\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea for a long time.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/artlevin.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jewish-life-in-Shtetl-1-1200x900.jpg\" alt=\"Jewish Painting: Jewish life in Shtetl - Alex Levin\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">5- We read the Tosfos that quotes the famous Gemara that one can bring \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea even if there is no \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9. So in theory if one would build a \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7 on\u00a0 the \u05d4\u05e8 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea at the correct location, \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea could be brought.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2912\" src=\"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tosfos-sukkah-41a.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"272\" height=\"274\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tosfos-sukkah-41a.png 272w, https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tosfos-sukkah-41a-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 272px) 100vw, 272px\" \/><\/p>\n<h4><b>\u05de\u05e7\u05e8\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05e3 \u05e2\u05dc \u05e4\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Historically, this served as a rallying point to some to attempt to build a \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7 and perform \u05e2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d3\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea. It\u2019s a big topic and BL\u201dN will go back to it in the future.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.lbi.org\/griffinger-static\/lbi_art_django2_app\/images\/art\/5562892_800px.jpg\" alt=\"Rabbi Hirsch Kalischer - Thorn - The Edythe Griffinger Portal\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">6- We mentioned<a href=\"https:\/\/www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org\/zevi-hirsch-kalischer\"> Reb Tzvi Hirsh Kalisher<\/a>, a talmid of R Akiva Eiger, and one of the earliest frum Rabbonim that proclaimed a movement to return to \u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc, with the belief that to start the\u00a0 \u05d2\u05d0\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4 we should not wait for Moshiach or another miraculous phenomenon.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Incidentally, the \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8, mentioned earlier (\u05d1\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1), was opposed to the effort.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This of course is the root of religious Zionism that \u05e7\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e5 \u05d2\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea will occur in stages. Needless to say that this runs contrary to the Rambam and all others that \u05e7\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e5 \u05d2\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea will happen <em>after<\/em> the building of the \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We read the \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d9 (Brochos 1) that says \u05e9\u05dc \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc <strong>\u05e7\u05de\u05e2\u05d0 \u05e7\u05de\u05e2\u05d0<\/strong>.\u00a0 \u05d2\u05d0\u05d5\u05dc\u05ea\u05df . \u2018The redemption of Jews will be incremental\u2019.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u05e8&#8217; \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d0 \u05d5\u05e8&#8217; \u05e9\u05de\u05e2\u05d5\u05df \u05d1\u05df \u05d7\u05dc\u05e4\u05ea\u05d0 \u05d4\u05d9\u05d5 \u05de\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05e7\u05e8\u05d5\u05e6\u05ea\u05d0 [=\u05d1\u05e2\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e9\u05d7\u05e8] \u05d1\u05d4\u05d3\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e7\u05e2\u05ea\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d0\u05e8\u05d1\u05d0\u05dc,<\/p>\n<p>\u05d5\u05e8\u05d0\u05d5\u00a0<strong>\u05d0\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d4\u05e9\u05d7\u05e8 \u05e9\u05d1\u05e7\u05e2 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05dc\u05e2\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea<\/strong>,<\/p>\n<p>\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e8&#8217; \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05d0:\u00a0<strong>\u05db\u05da \u05d4\u05d9\u05d0 \u05d2\u05d0\u05d5\u05dc\u05ea\u05df \u05e9\u05dc \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e8&#8217; \u05e9\u05de\u05e2\u05d5\u05df: \u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d3\u05db\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1 &#8220;\u05db\u05d9 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d1 \u05d1\u05d7\u05e9\u05da \u05d4&#8217; \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d9&#8221; (<a class=\"sefaria-ref\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Micah.7.8?lang=he&amp;utm_source=hatanakh.com&amp;utm_medium=sefaria_linker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-ref=\"\u05de\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05d6', \u05d7\" aria-controls=\"sefaria-popup\">\u05de\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05d6&#8217;, \u05d7<\/a>),<\/p>\n<p>\u05d1\u05ea\u05d7\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d9\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d0\u05d4 <strong>\u05e7\u05d9\u05de\u05e2\u05d0 \u05e7\u05d9\u05de\u05e2\u05d0,<\/strong> \u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05e8 \u05db\u05da \u05d4\u05d9\u05d0 \u05de\u05e0\u05e4\u05e6\u05ea \u05d5\u05d1\u05d0\u05d4, \u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05e8 \u05db\u05da \u05d4\u05d9\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4, \u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05e8 \u05db\u05da \u05d4\u05d9\u05d0 \u05de\u05e9\u05ea\u05d1\u05d7\u05ea \u05d5\u05d4\u05d5\u05dc\u05db\u05ea.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Parenthetically, the Rebbe writes that \u2018surely the Rambam also knew of this Yerushalmi\u2019 and yet codified as above.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">7- We discussed the Rashi in our Gemara that states that the 3rd Beis Hamikdash will not be built by humans but will descend from heaven.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i.etsystatic.com\/14907812\/r\/il\/965fe0\/2051778121\/il_340x270.2051778121_7v3d.jpg\" alt=\"Original Painting of a Dream Jerusalem Temple That Comes in - Etsy\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In many other sources it says explicitly that it will be built by humans.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mentioned the various approaches that suggest how both methods are true and will occur simultaneously.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">8- Story with Reb Yoel \u05e2\u201d\u05d4 &#8211; with R Yosef Karo and the introduction to \u05de\u05d2\u05d9\u05d3 \u05de\u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd, regarding not eating meat on Rosh Hashanah.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">His point was: \u2018if you can accept that the Beis Yosef forgot a \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0, you can also accept that the \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05da can forget it as well\u2026.. and come to the conclusion that perhaps \u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05da \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 himself forgot it\u2026.!\u2019\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/collive.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/photos\/2020\/02\/Reb-Yoel-16.jpg\" alt=\"How R' Yoel Marked 90th Birthday\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>BS\u201dD Sukkah 41a Menachem Av 5, 5782. 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