{"id":2969,"date":"2022-09-09T13:48:58","date_gmt":"2022-09-09T13:48:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2969"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:47","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:47","slug":"shiur-sukkah-43a-09-06-2022","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2969","title":{"rendered":"Shiur Sukkah 43a 09\/06\/2022"},"content":{"rendered":"

BS\u201dD<\/span><\/p>\n

Sukkah 43a\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Elul 10, 5782. September 6, 2022<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We discussed the famous \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 which the Chachamim enacted not to perform certain mitzvos, such as \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 and \u05ea\u05e7\u05d9\u05e2\u05ea \u05e9\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8, when \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 falls out on Shabbos. The concern was that one may unintentionally carry it 4 Amos in a\u00a0 \u05e8\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd. Why would one do it? To visit a \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9 – knowledgeable person – to teach him how to perform this particular Mitzva.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"How<\/p>\n

It is a peculiar \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 indeed as the Alter Rebbe (<\/span>LT 56,1<\/span><\/a>) writes that such lofty Mitzvos as Shofar and Lulav were canceled because of \u2018simpletons and small minded individuals\u2019 that may carry out the Shofar or Lulav.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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\"Uprooted<\/p>\n

Uprooting a mitzva?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span>\u05e2\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05e2\u05d5\u05e8\u05e8<\/span>\u00a0\u05d5\u05dc\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05dc\u05d1 \u05de\u05d4 \u05e8\u05d0\u05d5 \u05d7\u05d6”\u05dc \u05dc\u05e2\u05e7\u05d5\u05e8 \u05de”\u05e2 \u05d3\u05e9\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05db”\u05e4 \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d6\u05de\u05df \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d4\u05de”\u05e7 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d2\u05d6\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e2\u05dc\u05de\u05d0 \u05d5\u05d4\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d4\u05d7\u05e9\u05e9 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d3\u05d9\u05d5\u05d8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05e7\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e2\u05ea \u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05da \u05de\u05e0\u05e2\u05d5 \u05d4\u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05db\u05de\u05d4 \u05e6\u05d3\u05d9\u05e7\u05d9\u05dd \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05d8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd<\/strong> \u05d5\u05d1\u05e4\u05e8\u05d8 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e9\u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05db\u05d5\u05d5\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea \u05ea\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05d4\u05dd \u05dc\u05d9\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea \u05e9\u05e0\u05d5\u05d2\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd \u05e2\u05d3 \u05e8\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05de\u05e2\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea.<\/span><\/p>\n

2- This is a famous Sugyah and we touched upon some points.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

a – Why \u05de\u05e2\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d3\u2019 \u05d0\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e8\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd? Why not be concerned about the \u05e2\u05e7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d4\u05e0\u05d7\u05d4; when he leaves the house and arrives at the house of the \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

b – While it may be an art to blow Shofar, \u00a0it is relatively easy to perform the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd Mitzvah. So simple and easy that the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 earlier had an issue of finding a case of one walking out of his house holding the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd and <\/span>not <\/i><\/b>being \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0. \u201c<\/span>He was \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0 by just picking it up\u201d <\/b>\u00a0– even if the Lulav is not bound at all.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Rabbi<\/p>\n

Shofar Expert<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

So what can the \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9 teach him?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Rashi writes that he goes to the \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9 to learn the \u05e0\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd and \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4. We mentioned that perhaps \u2018learning the \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4\u2019 is not the \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 itself, which is quite simple. It means as to when to make the \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 as we discussed the four solution of Tosfos on how to ensure that the \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 is made prior to being \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0. Such as flipping it etc. See Shiur 39a.<\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

c – We learnt a few pages earlier that if one does walk out with his Shofar or Lulav to \u05e8\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd on Shabbos he is \u05e4\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 because he is \u05d8\u05e2\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05d4. So what\u2019s the issue here to cancel such important Mitzvos when there is never a \u05d7\u05d9\u05d5\u05d1 \u05d7\u05d8\u05d0\u05ea anyway?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

d-\u00a0 Why is this \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 not<\/strong> applied to \u05de\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 on Shabbos, blowing the Shofar \u05de\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05db\u05d9\u05e4\u05d5\u05e8 before Havdalah?\u00a0 We mentioned the Tosfos in Megillah 4a that answers these two Mitzvos. What about \u05e7\u05e8\u05d9\u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4? That one really needs help from a \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

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3- We discussed the issue of Matzah that is still observed on Shabbos. Why aren\u2019t the complexities of the Seder in general and of the \u05db\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea Matzah in particular enough to cause someone to walk to the \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9 for exact instructions?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

[Story of the fellow that got stuck by\u00a0 \u05d9\u05d7\u05e5\u2026..\u2026and sent his wife to observe the \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9 from the window\u2026.]<\/span><\/p>\n

\"5,392<\/p>\n

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We mentioned the many answers to this question. <\/span>Here<\/span><\/a> is a link to dozens of them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

4- We discussed the famous Sichah of the Rebbe, <\/span>LS 6, 48<\/span><\/a>, on this topic.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Briefly – the Rebbe first quotes a few answers – we labeled them as a Litvishe answer and the other a Poilisher one.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The Litvishe from the Netziv <\/a><\/b>: The \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd would roam at the homes of the lesser learned to instruct on how to perform the \u05e1\u05d3\u05e8.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

[Wow! A Litvisher Godol suggesting 150 years ago for Shulichim to travel to perform Sedorim for the less informed\u2026.]<\/span><\/p>\n

The Rebbe’s question on this answer: This \u05de\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2 in nowhere mentioned.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Another answer from the Netziv: Matzah is observed at night when people refrain from roaming the streets.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The Rebbe’s question on this answer: Despite the danger, the average Jew will ignore the danger to fulfill the Mitzvah of Matzah. Especially since it\u2019s \u05dc\u05d9\u05dc \u05e9\u05d9\u05de\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The Poilisher style answer from <\/b>Reb Don Polotzki<\/b><\/a>:<\/b> Although the \u05d7\u05db\u05de\u05d9\u05dd canceled the Mitzva of Shofar and Lulav, this cancelation only applied to part of the Mitzvah. How? By learning the \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea of Shofar and Lulav it is \u2018considered as if he actually performed it\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05e2\u05d5\u05e1\u05e7 \u05d1\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05ea \u05e2\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4 \u05db\u05d0\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d4\u05e7\u05e8\u05d9\u05d1 \u05e2\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0So on \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 \u05e9\u05d7\u05dc \u05dc\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea, by learning the Halachos, the Mitzvah is not totally canceled. Part of it is still \u2018performed\u2019.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Learn<\/p>\n

That is all good and well with Shofar and Lulav, when by learning about them Part of the Mitzvah remains.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In regards to Matzah that would be problematic as women are also\u00a0 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1 to eat Matzah but their learning the \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea will not<\/strong> do much since they are \u05e4\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 from \u05ea\u05dc\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4!\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05e4\u05d5\u05d9\u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 style indeed!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

Rabbi Don Polotzki<\/em><\/p>\n

The Rebbe’s question on this answer: There is no mention anywhere the obligation to sit down on Rosh Hashana or Sukos\u00a0 \u05e9\u05d7\u05dc \u05dc\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea and learn the Halachos of these Mitzvos.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In regards to Megilah see the Sichah above.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The Rebbe\u2019s answer \u05e2\u05dc \u05e4\u05d9 \u05d7\u05e1\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05ea: From the fact that the \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 was enacted at a certain time in history, it is evident that any \u05e8\u05d5\u05d7\u05e0\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea effect that was previously accomplished by \u05ea\u05e7\u05d9\u05e2\u05ea \u05e9\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8 and \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 is no longer needed. Meaning that Shabbos will accomplish now (as opposed to the era prior to \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4) whatever the Shofar or Lulav accomplished before the \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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\"Shabbat<\/p>\n

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However with \u05de\u05e6\u05d4, since \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea for whatever reason, will <\/span>not <\/b>accomplish what the eating of the \u05de\u05e6\u05d4 would do, there cannot be a \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 to cancel this Mitzvah and as a consequence no one will ever take his \u05de\u05e6\u05d4\u00a0 and be \u05de\u05e2\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d3\u2019 \u05d0\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e8\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

See the Sichah at length.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

5- So no Shofar blowing on Shabbos and no Lulav shaking on Shabbos.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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What happens if one did do it? Did he do a Mitzvah and should not say \u05e9\u05d4\u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 the next day? [Question is in places that have only one day \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1] or perhaps he did ‘nothing’?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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6- Regarding Shofar the Gemara says that an established Beis Din does indeed blow the Shofar on Shabbos within its confines.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We discussed the story of <\/span>Reb Akiva Shleizinger<\/span><\/a> (an interesting Rov – more next week) who wanted to establish this Beis Din \u05de\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2 in 1905. He planned a gathering of many Rabanim at the Churva Shul and actually blew the Shofar on Shabbos.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Churva<\/p>\n

Rumor had it that despite the opposition to his initiative (which failed to materialize) he did it in the confines of his own house!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

7- We mentioned an interstinhg historical fact -that \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05d4\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4\u00a0 in 1905\u00a0<\/span>corresponded to the exact date that the Rebbe Rashab began his famous multi year \u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05da of <\/span>\u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05d4\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d7\u05dc \u05dc\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05ea\u05e8\u05e1\u201d\u05d5<\/span><\/a> that began on \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05d4\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4, year 5666, September 29, 1905 explaining why there is no need to blow the shofar on Shabbos<\/strong>!<\/span><\/p>\n

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BS\u201dD Sukkah 43a\u00a0 Elul 10, 5782. September 6, 2022 1- We discussed the famous \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 which the Chachamim enacted not to perform certain mitzvos, such as \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 and \u05ea\u05e7\u05d9\u05e2\u05ea \u05e9\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8, when \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 falls out on Shabbos. The concern was that one may unintentionally carry it 4 Amos in a\u00a0 \u05e8\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dd. Why would … Continue reading Shiur Sukkah 43a 09\/06\/2022<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2969","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2969","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2969"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2969\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4362,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2969\/revisions\/4362"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2969"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2969"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2969"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}