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Sukkah 43a (2)\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Elul 17, 5782. September 13, 2022<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We continued the topic of someone doing a Mitzvah when the Chachamim enacted a \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 not to do it. Such as blowing the Shofar on Shabbos. Was a Mitzvah performed? Or perhaps, since there is a \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 not to do it, he did nothing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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The difference would be for example if someone forgets it\u2019s Shabbos, makes a Brachah and then realizes that it\u2019s Shabbos. If there (still) is a Mitzvah (despite the prohibition to do it) then he must continue to blow the Shofar, for if not, it would cause his \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 to be \u05dc\u05d1\u05d8\u05dc\u05d4. On the other hand, if the Mitzvah was totally uprooted then he cannot continue to blow the Shofar, due to the \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 , for it has no \u2018value\u2019.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

2- We mentioned the Tosfos<\/a> on 3a (Shiur on 3a)<\/a>\u00a0 where they explicitly say that if the Chachamim prohibit something, doing it is worthless.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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Example: A tight fitting Sukkah on a fire escape. Not having much room to maneuver one wants to place his plate on the windowsill which is out of the Sukkah. The issue is one <\/span>may <\/i><\/b>lean over the plate and eat outside the Sukkah. So the Chachamin enacted a \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 never to place the plate on the window sill.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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If someone does do it and eats from the plate carefully and makes sure his body is still in the Sukkah – \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 he is \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0. However \u05de\u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df he is not. Comes Tosfos and says that due to the \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 he is not \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0 \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 ! Meaning that on night #1 of Sukkos he would need to eat another meal in a Sukkah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We discussed the difference between this case and blowing Shofar on Shabbos.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

3- We mentioned last week <\/span>Reb Akiva Shleizinger<\/span><\/a> who wanted to introduce Shofar blowing on Shabbos in a Beis Din.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Blowing<\/p>\n

Reb Akiva (who was named after Reb Akiva Eiger) also ruled that one who makes Aliya to Israel and his wife refuses to go along, he may marry another women despite the \u05d7\u05e8\u05dd \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d2\u05e8\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd!!<\/span><\/p>\n

See <\/span>here<\/span><\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In the book \u201cBeit Yosef Hadash\u201d he wrote that <\/span><\/i>in the event that a man from Israel immigrates to Eretz Israel and his wife does not agree to accompany him – he is allowed to marry a second woman in Eretz Israel, despite the boycott of Rabbeinu Gershom. <\/i><\/b>Jerusalem \u00a0leaders \u00a0revolted against him and declared a boycott. All members of the Hungarian kollel had to sign their consent to the boycott either on a letter sent abroad or when they came to receive the “distribution” allowance. A record was on the table and everyone was “asked” to sign before receiving the money. Only a few withstood this pressure. Among them were Joshua Stampfer and Rabbi Menachem Manish Scheinberger, Rabbi Schlesinger’s colleagues. Rabbi Menachem Manish even beat the table with his fist until the \u201cletter\u201d flew from the table and he shouted \u201cTzelem He\u2019emido Al HaShulchan HaZeh, Vayishtachavu Lo Kulam Avur Kesef Nim\u2019as!\u201d. Of course he was prevented from receiving money from the distribution and his relatives had to send money for his family’s livelihood. As a result of this conflict, the book was published with a booklet Shimru Mishpat warning against the claims of the Hungarian Kollel. In response the booklets Nitotz HaBayit and Shomer Yisrael were published. Rabbis even ruled that Rabbi Schlesinger’s books were not to be genizahed <\/span><\/i>but burned according to the law of minim and heretics<\/i><\/b>, but despite that, upon his death Rabbi Yosef Haim Zonenfeld accorded him respect, and eulogized him.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

\"Burning<\/p>\n

4-\u00a0 \u05de\u05db\u05e9\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4. The Gemara brings the opinion of Reb Eliezer that allows one to do a \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d4 on Shabbos in the preparation to perform the \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05d4 of the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"What<\/p>\n

As Rashi writes: \u2018(Reb Eliezer allows one) to cut off from the place of its attachment\u2019. Meaning that Reb Eliezer allows one to cut the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd off the the tree on Shabbos\/Yom Tov. He would also allow the burning of wood to create coal to form a knife for the purpose of a \u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05ea.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Island<\/p>\n

Does Rashi mean to imply that the \u05d3\u2019 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd are \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc when attached to the ground? We mentioed the \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd and others that discuss this.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

See Shiur 32a<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

5- Speaking of a \u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05ea we mentioned the amazing story of Reb Peretz Mochkin A\u201dH who traveled once from Tashkent to Smarkand when their car broke down. Waiting in a small remote village for it to be repaired he was approached by a Jewish woman (who was a refugee from Poland) asking them if he can perform a Bris on her newborn that was 30 days old. Reb Peretz managed to get the necessary tools to perform the Bris and the \u05e4\u05d3\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d4\u05d1\u05df was done as well!\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Rabbi<\/p>\n

R.\u00a0 Peretz Mochkin<\/em><\/p>\n

6 – We spoke about the rare print of the\u00a0 \u05e1\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05e8 of the Alter Rebbe that was discovered in Russia a few years ago. See <\/span>here<\/span><\/a> for a reprinting of that rare edition. Its discovery created a buzz among many researchers and various analyzations of that particular edition have been published. The comparison, to the other printed editions we have, has provided a greater understanding on the uniqueness of the Alter Rebbe\u2019s \u05e0\u05d5\u05e1\u05d7 .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"\u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5:\u05ea\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea<\/p>\n

One of the differences:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In our Siddur:- .\u05d0\u05e9\u05de\u05e0\u05d5. \u05d1\u05d2\u05d3\u05e0\u05d5. \u05d2\u05d6\u05dc\u05e0\u05d5. \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d5\u05e4\u05d9<\/span><\/p>\n

Means\u00a0 we have spoken slander\u00a0 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d5\u05e4\u05d9<\/span><\/p>\n

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This unique edition has it as – .\u05d0\u05e9\u05de\u05e0\u05d5. \u05d1\u05d2\u05d3\u05e0\u05d5. \u05d2\u05d6\u05dc\u05e0\u05d5. \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8\u05e0\u05d5. \u05d3\u05d5\u05e4\u05d9<\/span><\/p>\n

The extra dot seems to say that \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8\u05e0\u05d5 <\/span>in itself<\/b> as something negative. It is not associated with \u05d3\u05d5\u05e4\u05d9 – slander. Just speaking is something negative for which we ask forgiveness.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

[Then there is \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d5\u05e4\u05d9 to slander]\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Is the extra dot a typo? What is wrong with just speaking??\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Reb Yoel Kahan A\u201dH once suggested (half jokingly) that it is not typo at all.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Speaking without purpose is equally not proper. As he put it, using a Yiddish uncommon word,\u00a0 \u05e4\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d3\u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05df. To just blabble.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8\u05e0\u05d5.<\/span><\/p>\n

7- In conclusion we touched upon the topic if there was a Sukkah in the Beis Hamikdash. To be continued.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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