{"id":2998,"date":"2022-09-22T16:05:28","date_gmt":"2022-09-22T16:05:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2998"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:47","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:47","slug":"shiur-sukkah-43b-09-10-22-final-shiur-of-5782","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=2998","title":{"rendered":"Shiur Sukkah 43b 09\/10\/22 – Final Shiur of 5782"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Sukkah 43b\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Elul 24, 5782. September 20, 2022<\/span><\/p>\n

1- We continued our Gemara that discusses the Mitzvah of \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 (what we call \u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea) in the \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 and the Minhag that was enacted \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05df.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"willow<\/p>\n

2 – We highlighted the interesting statement of the Gemara about \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05e2\u05b2\u05e8\u05b8\u05d1\u05b8\u05d4 \u05e9\u05c1\u05b4\u05d1\u05b0\u05e2\u05b8\u05d4. \u05db\u05bc\u05b5\u05d9\u05e6\u05b7\u05d3? \u05e2\u05b2\u05e8\u05b8\u05d1\u05b8\u05d4 \u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05e9\u05c1\u05b0\u05d1\u05b4\u05d9\u05e2\u05b4\u05d9 \u05de\u05b7\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d8\u05b7\u05e2\u05b0\u05de\u05b8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05bc\u05b8\u05d7\u05b2\u05d9\u05b8\u05d0 \u05e9\u05c1\u05b7\u05d1\u05bc\u05b8\u05ea? \u05d0\u05b8\u05de\u05b7\u05e8 \u05e8\u05b7\u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d5\u05b9\u05d7\u05b8\u05e0\u05b8\u05df: \u05db\u05bc\u05b0\u05d3\u05b5\u05d9 \u05dc\u05b0\u05e4\u05b7\u05e8\u05b0\u05e1\u05b0\u05de\u05b8\u05d4\u05bc \u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05d4\u05b4\u05d9\u05d0 \u05de\u05b4\u05df \u05d4\u05b7\u05ea\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u05e8\u05b8\u05d4.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Set<\/p>\n

Something that is not mentioned explicitly in the Torah, like \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4, was granted importance to counter the \u05d1\u05d9\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05ea\u05d9\u05dd<\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4, being that it\u2019s an \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05dc\u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05de\u05e1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9, a Mitzvah the \u05d1\u05d9\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05ea\u05d9\u05dd denied, was allowed to be observed on Shabbos, as opposed to Lulav.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05e2\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9<\/em><\/p>\n

What is amazing is that after the Churban, when the \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 Minhag was instituted \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9, the set calendar which Hillel created, ensures that \u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05e2\u05e0\u05d0 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 never occurs on a Shabbos.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

But why didn\u2019t he ensure that Rosh Hashanah does not fall on on Shabbos? Or the first day of Sukkos where Lulav, like Shofar, is a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea \u05e2\u05e9\u05d4 \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4?<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Jewish<\/p>\n

The answer is as above, to help perpetuate the \u05de\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4, the Chachamim gave the Minhagim \u2018more importance\u2019 that even a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05d3\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05d0.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Other \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd say the reason is that Shofar and Lulav, if not observed on Shabbos,\u00a0 can at least be at be observed the next day, on Sunday.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4, on the other hand, if \u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05e2\u05e0\u05d0 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 occurs on Shabbos, we cannot do it on \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9 \u05e2\u05e6\u05e8\u05ea because it would \u2018embarras\u2019 \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9 \u05e2\u05e6\u05e8\u05ea.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Hoshana<\/p>\n

3 – In regards to the amount of Hadasim one should place in the Lulav, we reread the few lines on Daf 34b. Where it states:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u05f3<\/b> \u05ea\u05bc\u05b7\u05e0\u05b0\u05d9\u05b8\u05d0, \u05e8\u05b7\u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05d9 \u05d9\u05b4\u05e9\u05c1\u05b0\u05de\u05b8\u05e2\u05b5\u05d0\u05dc \u05d0\u05d5\u05b9\u05de\u05b5\u05e8: \u05f4\u05e4\u05bc\u05b0\u05e8\u05b4\u05d9 \u05e2\u05b5\u05e5 \u05d4\u05b8\u05d3\u05b8\u05e8\u05f4 \u2014 \u05d0\u05b6\u05d7\u05b8\u05d3. \u05f4\u05db\u05bc\u05b7\u05e4\u05bc\u05b9\u05ea \u05ea\u05bc\u05b0\u05de\u05b8\u05e8\u05b4\u05d9\u05dd\u05f4 \u2014 \u05d0\u05b6\u05d7\u05b8\u05d3. \u05f4\u05e2\u05b2\u05e0\u05b7\u05e3 \u05e2\u05b5\u05e5 \u05e2\u05b8\u05d1\u05d5\u05b9\u05ea\u05f4 \u2014 \u05e9\u05c1\u05b0\u05dc\u05b9\u05e9\u05c1\u05b8\u05d4. \u05f4\u05e2\u05b7\u05e8\u05b0\u05d1\u05b5\u05d9 \u05e0\u05b7\u05d7\u05b7\u05dc\u05f4 \u2014 \u05e9\u05c1\u05b0\u05ea\u05bc\u05b7\u05d9\u05b4\u05dd.<\/span><\/p>\n

From this it would seem that there is an exact number to use.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

No more than 1 Lulav, 1 Esrog, 2 Arovos and no more than 3 Hadassim. However, it\u2019s not so simple.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"Alef<\/p>\n

No one uses more than 2 \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea. If one cannot add \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea why could one add \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1\u05d9\u05dd?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Here is what the Rambam says <\/span>Lulav 7,7:\u00a0<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n