{"id":353,"date":"2015-06-03T02:22:37","date_gmt":"2015-06-03T02:22:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=353"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:54","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:54","slug":"shiur-052615","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=353","title":{"rendered":"Makos 18b  Shiur 05\/26\/15"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Makos 18b<\/p>\n<p>1 &#8211;\u00a0Kol ha&#8217;Ro&#8217;uy l&#8217;Bilah, Ein Bilah Me&#8217;akeves Bo; v&#8217;she&#8217;Ein Ra&#8217;uy l&#8217;Bilah, Bilah Me&#8217;akeves Bo.<\/p>\n<p>\u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d5\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05db\u05d1\u05ea \u05d1\u05d5<\/p>\n<p>What does this classic statement mean?<\/p>\n<p>Basically &#8211; when one brings a Mincha offering the ratio of flour to oil needs to be a maximum of 60:1. This is because the Torah says that the ingredients need to be mixed. If additional flour is added, then the blending of the two will not be accomplished properly.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/c\/c1\/Timna_Tabernacle_Table_of_Showbread.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Paradoxically, when all the ingredients are placed in one pan and the <a href=\"http:\/\/dictionary.reference.com\/browse\/schlemiel\">schlemiel<\/a> [prior to the Kemitza and placement upon the Mizbeach] forgets to blend the mixture of flour and oil, the Mitzvah is considered done (albeit B&#8217;dieved).<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.shemayisrael.co.il\/dafyomi2\/lectures\/minchah\/mena-063f.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>So if the mixing is not important why should we care if the ratio is, say, 70:1? It needs not to be blended anyway (Be\u2019Dieved)?<\/p>\n<p>Good question. The answer is given in multiple places in Shas by Reb Zeira:<\/p>\n<p>A Mincha needs to have <strong><em>the possibility and the option to be mixed<\/em><\/strong>. Thus a 60:1 Mincha can in theory be mixed properly even if ultimately the mixing never occurs.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_rIRvi_S6rrQ\/TDKBqg9iPOI\/AAAAAAAAAIQ\/4vkNlpY2zF0\/s320\/flour.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Conversely, if too much flour is added then it could have never have been properly mixed \u2013 it has lost the possibility.<br \/>\nSo in the Shiur we see the Gemara utilizing this concept with regards to <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bikkurim_%28Talmud%29\">Bikkurim<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.israelimom.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/06\/cimg4461.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Performing the Mitzvah of Bikkurim, once arriving in Yerushalayim, is a multi-step process.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>The\u00a0<strong>Reading\u00a0<\/strong>of the verses mentioned in the Torah; thanking G-d for the blessings bestowed and enabling the farmer to harvest his produce.<\/li>\n<li>The\u00a0<strong>Placing\u00a0<\/strong>of the fruit next to the Mizbeach.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>What if one does A and not B? Or the reverse, B and not A?<\/p>\n<p>We find two contradictory statements that address this question:<\/p>\n<p>One states that the Bikkurim\u00a0fruits\u00a0<strong>must\u00a0<\/strong>be\u00a0<strong>placed\u00a0<\/strong>next to the Mizbeach in order to fulfill the Mitzvah of Bikkurim.<\/p>\n<p>In contrast,\u00a0the <strong>Reading\u00a0<\/strong>of the Parshah of Bikkurim, although it is a Mitzvah, is not essential to fulfilling the Mitzvah of Bikkurim; if one fails to read the Parshah of Bikkurim, one still fulfills the Mitzvah of Bikkurim.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/thumb\/b\/bc\/Thank_offering_unto_the_Lord.jpg\/350px-Thank_offering_unto_the_Lord.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>In a different statement we find that if a person prepares his Bikkurim before Sukkos but does not bring the fruit to the Beis Hamikdash until <em>after<\/em> Sukkos, he should leave them to rot.<\/p>\n<p>Apparently, this is because one cannot read the Parshah of Bikkurim after Sukkos. This statement implies that the\u00a0<strong>Reading\u00a0<\/strong>of the Parshah\u00a0<em>is<\/em>\u00a0an integral part of the Mitzvah, and without it one cannot fulfill the Mitzvah of Bikkurim at all.<\/p>\n<p>The Gemara reconciles these two statements using the above principle of &#8220;Kol ha&#8217;Ro&#8217;uy l&#8217;Bilah, Ein Bilah Me&#8217;akeves Bo; v&#8217;she&#8217;Ein Ra&#8217;uy l&#8217;Bilah, Bilah Me&#8217;akeves Bo.&#8221; <strong>\u00a0<\/strong><strong>\u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d5\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05db\u05d1\u05ea \u05d1\u05d5<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As above, this rule teaches that it is possible for an act which is not an integral part of a Mitzvah to still be an obstacle to the fulfillment of the Mitzvah. If part of the Mitzvah cannot be applied in a certain case, then that component of the Mitzvah prevents the fulfillment of the entire Mitzvah. If that part <strong>can<\/strong> be done but just happens not to have been fulfilled, then it does not impede the fulfillment of the entire Mitzvah.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com\/2012\/08\/pets.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This explains the above seemingly contradictory statements.\u00a0 In the first statement, the reading of the Parshah is integral to the Mitzvah of bringing Bikkurim, but if one does not do it, he nevertheless fulfills the Mitzvah because he <strong>can<\/strong> do the reading.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk\/i\/you-cannot-read-this-sentence.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"127\" height=\"147\" \/><\/p>\n<p>However, if a person is in a situation in which he <strong>cannot<\/strong> read the Parshah, such as when he delayed the bringing of the Bikkurim until after Sukkos (as discussed above), then the inability to read the Parshah does indeed impede the fulfillment of the entire Mitzvah.<\/p>\n<p>2- We spoke about the <a href=\"http:\/\/beta.hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=15875&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=340\">question<\/a> posed to the Rebbe in 1944 by Rabbi Yeshaya <a href=\"http:\/\/he.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%94_%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A5\">Horowitz<\/a> from Tzfas\/ Winnipeg Canada.<\/p>\n<p>He was one of the first to urge the Rebbe to accept the \u2018Nesius\u2019 in 1950\u2026..and was sharply rebuked\u2026\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Open this <a href=\"http:\/\/beismoshiachmagazine.org\/articles\/a-fiery-chassid-from-tzfas-in-frigid-canada.html\">link<\/a> to see his most interesting history and photo.<\/p>\n<p>Also see <a href=\"http:\/\/cjs.journals.yorku.ca\/index.php\/cjs\/article\/viewFile\/22624\/21095\">here <\/a>page 12.<\/p>\n<p>Background: On Shavuos in addition to the Yom Tov offerings there is a unique Mitzva to bring the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.chabad.org\/library\/article_cdo\/aid\/2599670\/jewish\/All-About-the-Shtei-Halachem.htm\">Shtei Halechem<\/a> \u2013 two loaves of bread made of Chametz accompanied by animal offerings. \u00a0These loaves were distributed to the Kohanim to eat.<\/p>\n<p>Surprisingly the Zohar states that the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.chabad.org\/library\/article_cdo\/aid\/2599670\/jewish\/All-About-the-Shtei-Halachem.htm\">Shtei Halechem<\/a> were \u201cburned upon the Mizbe\u2019ach\u201d!!!<\/p>\n<p>Rabbi Horowitz asked the Rebbe for an explanation since it is obvious that these breads were Chometz and as we say daily at the end of Ketores \u201canything with Chometz or honey is prohibited to be placed on the Mizbeach\u201d and were entirely consumed by the Kohanim.<\/p>\n<p>The Rebbe quotes at length the history of all the attempts to reconcile this difficult passage in the Zohar. Interestingly, no less than Reb Chaim Vital suggests an answer\u2026 which he himself admits is a stretch!<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.haaretz.com\/polopoly_fs\/1.517056.1366698398!\/image\/3411555043.jpg_gen\/derivatives\/landscape_640\/3411555043.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>In short: The Rebbe\u2019s answer is, one may humbly say, disarmingly simple.<\/p>\n<p>The Rebbe quotes a Gemara that states the laws of placing \u2018remnants\u2019 on the Mizbeach.<\/p>\n<p>The Torah requires that certain parts of the Karbanos be offered on the Mizbeach. These parts are collectively termed &#8220;Eimurim.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.templeinstitute.org\/illustrated\/silver_shovel_2.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It is prohibited to offer any <strong>other<\/strong> part (remnants of what was already placed on the Mizbeach) of the Korban on the Mizbeach.<\/p>\n<p>The Gemara enumerates examples of placing on the Mizbeach \u201cother parts\u201d. One of them is Shtei Halechem!<\/p>\n<p>The Gemara asks: Shtei Halechem? How are they \u201c<strong>other<\/strong> parts\u201d? They are not remnants of any part that was placed already on the Mizbeach since no part of them ever reached the Mizbeach!?<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/betshalomfresno.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/Challah.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The Gemora answers that the <strong>Shtei Halechem are part and parcel of the accompanying animal offerings.<\/strong> They are inseparable parts of the total package. So despite the Shtei Halechem never reaching the Mizbeach they are considered \u201cremnants\u201d of this total Korban.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, after placing the parts of the Eimurim (animal parts) on the Mizbeach, nothing else remaining from this Korban can be added. Not the remaining animal parts nor the Shtei Halechem themselves.<\/p>\n<p>So in a sense the Shtei Halechem and the animal offerings are deemed to be placed on the Mizbeach!<\/p>\n<p>And concludes the Rebbe, that is what the Zohar meant. The Shtei Halechem was an integral part of the korban that needs to be brought upon the Mizbeach.<\/p>\n<p>See there entire letter as the Rebbe continues his explanation as to the Chasidisher explanation of all the above.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Makos 18b 1 &#8211;\u00a0Kol ha&#8217;Ro&#8217;uy l&#8217;Bilah, Ein Bilah Me&#8217;akeves Bo; v&#8217;she&#8217;Ein Ra&#8217;uy l&#8217;Bilah, Bilah Me&#8217;akeves Bo. \u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d5\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05db\u05d1\u05ea \u05d1\u05d5 What does this classic statement mean? Basically &#8211; when one brings a Mincha offering the ratio of flour to oil needs to be a maximum of 60:1. 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