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BSD<\/p>\n

Shkolim 20b (2)<\/p>\n

Iyar 15, 5785 – 05\/13\/25<\/p>\n

Short notes.<\/p>\n

1 – We continued on the topic of the \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05df brought daily by the \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc.<\/p>\n

The procedure is that the \u05db\u05d4\u05f4\u05d2 \u00a0brings a full \u05e2\u05e9\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05d0\u05d9\u05e4\u05d4, splits it in two equal parts and processes it half in the morning and the other half in the afternoon .<\/p>\n

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2 – If, after bringing the \u2018morning half\u2019 of his Mincha, this \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc passes away, his successor, the next \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc, brings a full<\/u> \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05d4 , splits it in two but only process one half in the afternoon.<\/p>\n

3 – This \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05df is very unique. How?<\/p>\n

What happens if the \u05db\u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd didn\u2019t appoint a successor? The \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 states that a full \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05d4 is brought daily until a \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc is appointed. There are 2 opinions as to who pays for this \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05d4, either from a communal fund or from the estate of the deceased \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc.<\/p>\n

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4 – It\u2019s unique because since this \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05df is a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 on the \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc, why does it continue to be brought daily when he is not around?? It\u2019s a \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05d9\u05d7\u05d9\u05d3.<\/p>\n

We mentioned the phenomenal \u05d0\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9<\/a> \u05e0\u05d6\u05e8<\/a>, that explains this as follows:<\/p>\n

The \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d9 equates \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4 of the \u05db\u05d4\u05f4\u05d2 to the \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4 \u05db\u05d1\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05dc of \u05d4\u05e7\u05d1\u05f4\u05d4, both being eternal. Therefore, even if a \u05db\u05d4\u05f4\u05d2 is \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1 and given \u05de\u05dc\u05e7\u05d5\u05ea, he resumes his position!<\/p>\n

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This \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4 remains even upon his passing and in a sense, he remains the \u05db\u05d4\u05f4\u05d2 until his successor is appointed. This explains as to why even if he is succeeded by his son, this son will need \u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4, which will \u2018close out\u2019 his father\u2019s reign and \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4. It\u2019s not an automatic transition, due to his father\u2019s eternal \u05e7\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4.<\/p>\n

So as long as it takes to find, appoint or anoint a new \u05db\u05d4\u05f4\u05d2, the previous \u05db\u05d4\u05f4\u05d2 is still \u2018alive\u2019 in a sense and thus needs to bring a \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05df.<\/p>\n

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This explains why there is an opinion that his<\/strong> estate needs to pay for the \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05d4.<\/p>\n

5 – We mentioned, as a follow up to last week discussion if a \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc is also a \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d4\u05d3\u05d9\u05d5\u05d8, the Rebbe\u2019s note on this topic. See here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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\u00a036 \u05dc\u05e7\u05d5\u05d8\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d9\u05d7\u05d5\u05ea \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d9”\u05d8 \u05e2\u2019 181,\u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4<\/p>\n

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As another example of such a query the Rebbe mentions the opinion, concerning a \u05d1\u05d2\u05d3 that has 5 corners, that one would need to tie \u05e6\u05d9\u05e6\u05d9\u05ea to all 5 corners.<\/p>\n

\"tzitzit<\/p>\n

A similar question (to the \u05db\u05d4\u05f4\u05d2- \u05db\u05d4\u05df \u05d4\u05d3\u05d9\u05d5\u05d8) can be asked here. Is the 5 cornered \u05d1\u05d2\u05d3 a 4 cornered one plus 1, or perhaps it\u2019s a new type of \u05d1\u05d2\u05d3.<\/p>\n

Another example: \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 transmitted the \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 to us. Additionally, he was also a \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0. The \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4, despite it being far above the level of \u05e0\u05d1\u05d5\u05d0\u05d4, does it also have the validity of it being a \u05e0\u05d1\u05d5\u05d0\u05d4?<\/p>\n

6. We discussed the movement to bring a\u00a0 Korban Pesach –\u00a0 \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05e4\u05e1\u05d7 , and R’ Reb\u00a0Zvi Hirsch Kalischer<\/a> See this shiur<\/a> where we discussed it.<\/p>\n

As well as \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d7\u05d9\u05d0\u05dc \u05de\u05d9\u05db\u05dc \u05d8\u05d5\u05e7\u05e6\u05d9\u05e0\u05e1\u05e7\u05d9 – Yechiel Michel Tucazinsky<\/a>. who wrote a sefer<\/a> on the Halachos of the Beis Hamikdosh today.<\/p>\n

And the question of R’ Tzvi Pesach Frank<\/a>, Rov of \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd from our Gemara 20b :<\/p>\n

Aside from all the other Halachic challenges , which were overcome – what about<\/p>\n

…\u05e2\u05b7\u05d3 \u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05dc\u05b9\u05bc\u05d0 \u05d4\u05b5\u05d1\u05b4\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05bc \u05e2\u05b2\u05e9\u05b4\u05c2\u05d9\u05e8\u05b4\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05b8\u05d0\u05b5\u05d9\u05e4\u05b8\u05d4 \u05e9\u05b6\u05c1\u05dc\u05b8\u05bc\u05d4\u05b6\u05dd \u05e2\u05b2\u05d1\u05d5\u05b9\u05d3\u05b8\u05ea\u05b8\u05dd …\u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4<\/em><\/p>\n

If the Kohen had not yet brought his Mincha, then any Korban he brings \u00a0is Posul? So although the \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05e4\u05e1\u05d7 which is a \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05e6\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8 can be brought \u05d1\u05d8\u05d5\u05de\u05d0\u05d4, a \u05db\u05d4\u05df cannot bring his \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05da as it is a \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05d9\u05d7\u05d9\u05d3. So how were they thinking to bring the \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05e4\u05e1\u05d7 when it would become \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc?<\/p>\n

Answer:<\/p>\n

Different Girsa – like our Gemara, should be \u05e2\u05b2\u05d1\u05d5\u05b9\u05d3\u05b8\u05ea\u05b8\u05dd \u05db\u05b0\u05bc\u05e9\u05b5\u05c1\u05d9\u05e8\u05b8\u05d4<\/b><\/u> – not like the Gra’s girsa (\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05ea \u05d0\u05dc\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5).<\/p>\n

7- Another topic touched: Assuming the correct \u05d2\u05d9\u05e8\u05e1\u05d0 is \u05db\u05e9\u05e8\u05d4, would the \u05db\u05d4\u05df need to bring a \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05da? Or perhaps one could say that the bringing of the Korban itself is the Chinuch.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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