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BSD<\/p>\n

Shkolim 22a<\/p>\n

Sivan 21, 5785, 06\/17\/2025<\/p>\n

Brief notes<\/p>\n

1- We finished \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d2 of the 8th \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 and moved on to the final\u00a0 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4\u00a0 which concludes \u05de\u05e1\u05db\u05ea \u05e9\u05e7\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd.<\/p>\n

\"The<\/p>\n

We left a few lines unfinished until the middle of the summer when a proper \u05e1\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd will IY\u201dH be celebrated.<\/p>\n

It was decided to begin \u05de\u05e1\u05db\u05ea \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea next week.<\/p>\n

2- In relation to \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d8\u05d5\u05de\u05d0\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8\u05d4, we mentioned a most amazing (but surprisingly, not very well known) story in \u05ea\u05e0\u201d\u05da\u00a0 with \u05d7\u05d2\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0 – the last \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0!\u00a0 See here<\/a>. Hebrew<\/a>. Here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Briefly, it was \u05d7\u05d2\u05d9 who urged the people in\u00a0 \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd to resume the building of the second \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9.<\/p>\n

\"Jerusalem<\/p>\n

3 – \u05d7\u05d2\u05d9 was instructed to go and test the knowledge of the \u05db\u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd in the laws of \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d8\u05d5\u05de\u05d0\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d8\u05d4\u05e8\u05d4.<\/p>\n

Not not unlike the \u05e1\u05de\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 tests we have nowadays\u2026..<\/p>\n

\"770<\/p>\n

So \u05d7\u05d2\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0 enters the \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 and asks the \u05db\u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd 2 questions.<\/p>\n

Here are the words: Chagi 2, 11-14<\/a><\/p>\n

\u05d9\u05d0) \u05db\u05bc\u05b9\u05a5\u05d4 \u05d0\u05b8\u05de\u05b7\u0596\u05e8 \u05d9\u05b0\u05d4\u05b9\u05d5\u05b8\u05a3\u05d4 \u05e6\u05b0\u05d1\u05b8\u05d0\u0591\u05d5\u05b9\u05ea \u05e9\u05c1\u05b0\u05d0\u05b7\u05dc\u05be\u05e0\u05b8\u05a7\u05d0 \u05d0\u05b6\u05ea\u05be\u05d4\u05b7\u05db\u05bc\u05b9\u05d4\u05b2\u05e0\u05b4\u059b\u05d9\u05dd \u05ea\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u05e8\u05b8\u0596\u05d4 \u05dc\u05b5\u05d0\u05de\u05b9\u05bd\u05e8\u05c3<\/p>\n

Thus says Hashem : “Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying:<\/p>\n

\u05d9\u05d1) \u05d4\u05b5\u05a3\u05df\u05c0 \u05d9\u05b4\u05e9\u05bc\u05c2\u05b8\u05d0\u05be\u05d0\u05b4\u05a8\u05d9\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d1\u05bc\u05b0\u05e9\u05c2\u05b7\u05e8\u05be\u05e7\u05b9\u059c\u05d3\u05b6\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05db\u05b0\u05e0\u05b7\u05a3\u05e3 \u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05d2\u05b0\u05d3\u0597\u05d5\u05b9 \u05d5\u05b0\u05e0\u05b8\u05d2\u05b7\u05a3\u05e2 \u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05a0\u05db\u05b0\u05e0\u05b8\u05e4\u05a0\u05d5\u05b9 \u05d0\u05b6\u05dc\u05be\u05d4\u05b7\u05dc\u05bc\u05b6\u05a8\u05d7\u05b6\u05dd \u05d5\u05b0\u05d0\u05b6\u05dc\u05be\u05d4\u05b7\u05e0\u05bc\u05b8\u05d6\u05b4\u059c\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d5\u05b0\u05d0\u05b6\u05dc\u05be\u05d4\u05b7\u05d9\u05bc\u05b7\u05a7\u05d9\u05b4\u05df \u05d5\u05b0\u05d0\u05b6\u05dc\u05be\u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u059b\u05de\u05b6\u05df \u05d5\u05b0\u05d0\u05b6\u05dc\u05be\u05db\u05bc\u05c7\u05dc\u05be\u05de\u05b7\u05d0\u05b2\u05db\u05b8\u0596\u05dc \u05d4\u05b2\u05d9\u05b4\u05e7\u05b0\u05d3\u05bc\u05b8\u0591\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05bc\u05b7\u05e2\u05b2\u05e0\u05a7\u05d5\u05bc \u05d4\u05b7\u05db\u05bc\u05b9\u05d4\u05b2\u05e0\u05b4\u059b\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05bc\u05b9\u05d0\u05de\u05b0\u05e8\u0596\u05d5\u05bc \u05dc\u05b9\u05bd\u05d0\u05c3<\/p>\n

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“…\u05d5\u05d5\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d6 \u05d3\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df”<\/em><\/p>\n

‘If someone carries meat (of a \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 or \u05e9\u05e8\u05e5) in the fold of his garment, and with his fold touches bread, stew, wine, oil, or any food, will it become holy?'” The priests answered, “No.”<\/p>\n

\u05d9\u05d2) \u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05bc\u05b9\u05a3\u05d0\u05de\u05b6\u05e8 \u05d7\u05b7\u05d2\u05bc\u05b7\u0594\u05d9 \u05d0\u05b4\u05dd\u05be\u05d9\u05b4\u05d2\u05bc\u05b7\u05a7\u05e2 \u05d8\u05b0\u05de\u05b5\u05d0\u05be\u05e0\u05b6\u059b\u05e4\u05b6\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d1\u05bc\u05b0\u05db\u05c7\u05dc\u05be\u05d0\u05b5\u0596\u05dc\u05bc\u05b6\u05d4 \u05d4\u05b2\u05d9\u05b4\u05d8\u05b0\u05de\u05b8\u0591\u05d0 \u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05bc\u05b7\u05e2\u05b2\u05e0\u05a7\u05d5\u05bc \u05d4\u05b7\u05db\u05bc\u05b9\u05d4\u05b2\u05e0\u05b4\u059b\u05d9\u05dd \u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05bc\u05b9\u05d0\u05de\u05b0\u05e8\u0596\u05d5\u05bc \u05d9\u05b4\u05d8\u05b0\u05de\u05b8\u05bd\u05d0\u05c3<\/p>\n

Then Chaggai said, “If one who is unclean by reason of a dead body touch any of these, will it be unclean?” The priests answered, “It will be unclean.”<\/p>\n

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Original photo by LY Freidin<\/em><\/p>\n

4 – So we have 2 questions and answers. Yet the \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05e7\u05d9\u05dd seem ambiguous and do not say explicitly if they answered correctly or not. (although the next \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05e7 seems to imply that the\u00a0 \u05db\u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd erred.)<\/p>\n

That caused later generations to discuss this at length.<\/p>\n

5 – We scratched the surface of the \u05de\u05d7\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7\u05ea between \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d5\u05e9\u05de\u05d5\u05d0\u05dc if they answered correctly or not. \u05e9\u05d0\u05dc\u05ea<\/a> \u05d4\u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0<\/a> \u05d1\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea<\/a> \u05d8\u05d5<\/a>“<\/a>\u05d8<\/a> \u05d1\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4\u05de<\/a>“<\/a>\u05e7<\/a>. <\/a>\u05e4\u05e1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd<\/a> \u05d9\u05d6<\/a>, <\/a>\u05d0<\/a>.<\/p>\n

\u05d2\u05bc\u05d5\u05bc\u05e4\u05b8\u05d0 \u05e8\u05b7\u05d1 \u05d0\u05b8\u05de\u05b7\u05e8 \u05d0\u05b4\u05d9\u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05ea\u05b7\u05bc\u05d1\u05bb\u05bc\u05e9\u05c1 \u05db\u05b8\u05bc\u05d4\u05b2\u05e0\u05b5\u05d9 \u05d5\u05bc\u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05de\u05d5\u05bc\u05d0\u05b5\u05dc \u05d0\u05b8\u05de\u05b7\u05e8 \u05dc\u05b8\u05d0 \u05d0\u05b4\u05d9\u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05ea\u05b7\u05bc\u05d1\u05bb\u05bc\u05e9\u05c1 \u05db\u05b8\u05bc\u05d4\u05b2\u05e0\u05b5\u05d9.<\/p>\n

Rav said: The priests erred,<\/strong> as they should have said the oil is rendered impure. And Shmuel said: The priests did not err.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"Talmud<\/strong><\/p>\n

6 – <\/strong>The final \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 discusses the procedure of bringing up to the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7 the portions of the daily \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05d4\u05ea\u05de\u05d9\u05d3.<\/p>\n

(\u05d0) \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4: \u05d0\u05b5\u05d9\u05d1\u05b8\u05e8\u05b5\u05d9 \u05d4\u05b7\u05ea\u05b8\u05bc\u05de\u05b4\u05d9\u05d3 \u05e0\u05b4\u05d9\u05ea\u05b8\u05bc\u05e0\u05b4\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05b7\u05d7\u05b2\u05e6\u05b4\u05d9 \u05db\u05b6\u05bc\u05d1\u05b6\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d5\u05bc\u05dc\u05b0\u05de\u05b7\u05d8\u05b8\u05bc\u05d4 \u05d1\u05b7\u05bc\u05de\u05b7\u05bc\u05e2\u05b2\u05e8\u05b8\u05d1 \u05e9\u05b6\u05c1\u05dc \u05de\u05d5\u05bc\u05e1\u05b8\u05e4\u05b4\u05d9\u05df \u05e0\u05b4\u05d9\u05ea\u05b8\u05bc\u05e0\u05b4\u05d9\u05df \u05de\u05b5\u05d7\u05b2\u05e6\u05b4\u05d9 \u05db\u05b6\u05bc\u05d1\u05b6\u05e9\u05c1 \u05d5\u05bc\u05dc\u05b0\u05de\u05b7\u05d8\u05b8\u05bc\u05d4 \u05d1\u05b7\u05bc\u05de\u05b4\u05bc\u05d6\u05b0\u05d1\u05b5\u05bc\u05d7\u05b7 \u05e9\u05b6\u05c1\u05dc \u05e8\u05b8\u05d0\u05e9\u05b5\u05c1\u05d9 \u05d7\u05b3\u05d3\u05b8\u05e9\u05b4\u05c1\u05d9\u05dd \u05e0\u05b4\u05d9\u05ea\u05b8\u05bc\u05e0\u05b4\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05b7\u05dc \u05db\u05b7\u05bc\u05e8\u05b0\u05db\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u05d1 \u05d4\u05b7\u05de\u05b4\u05bc\u05d6\u05b0\u05d1\u05b5\u05bc\u05d7\u05b7 \u05de\u05b4\u05dc\u05b0\u05bc\u05de\u05b7\u05e2\u05b2\u05dc\u05b8\u05df.<\/p>\n

The meat was first placed on the ramp and then brought up to be placed on the fire.<\/p>\n

On \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05d7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9, states the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4, the meat was placed (not on the ramp, but) on the \u05db\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05d1.<\/p>\n

What exactly is the \u05db\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05d1?<\/p>\n

We discussed that generally it can mean the ornamental copper molding that wrapped around the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7. Here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

\"\u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7<\/p>\n

\u05db\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05d1 at the top and lower \u05db\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05d1 of copper latticework\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\u05d5\u05b0\u05e2\u05b8\u05e9\u05c2\u05b4\u05a4\u05d9\u05ea\u05b8 \u05dc\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u0599 \u05de\u05b4\u05db\u05b0\u05d1\u05bc\u05b8\u0594\u05e8 \u05de\u05b7\u05e2\u05b2\u05e9\u05c2\u05b5\u0596\u05d4 \u05e8\u05b6\u05a3\u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05ea \u05e0\u05b0\u05d7\u05b9\u0591\u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05ea \u05d5\u05b0\u05e2\u05b8\u05e9\u05c2\u05b4\u05a3\u05d9\u05ea\u05b8 \u05e2\u05b7\u05dc\u05be\u05d4\u05b8\u05e8\u05b6\u0597\u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05ea \u05d0\u05b7\u05e8\u05b0\u05d1\u05bc\u05b7\u05e2\u0599 \u05d8\u05b7\u05d1\u05bc\u05b0\u05e2\u05b9\u05a3\u05ea \u05e0\u05b0\u05d7\u05b9\u0594\u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05ea \u05e2\u05b7\u0596\u05dc \u05d0\u05b7\u05e8\u05b0\u05d1\u05bc\u05b7\u05a5\u05e2 \u05e7\u05b0\u05e6\u05d5\u05b9\u05ea\u05b8\u05bd\u05d9\u05d5\u05c3<\/p>\n

You shall make for it a grating, a copper network, and you shall make on the netting four copper rings on its four corners.<\/p>\n

7 – However, in our \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 it means the area on top <\/u>of the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7. The reason for placing it on top of the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7 is to announce to all that today is \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05d7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9.<\/p>\n

\"\u05d2\u05d2<\/p>\n

View from the top<\/em><\/p>\n

We mentioned that this is the reason we do \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05ea \u05d4\u05d7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9 on \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05de\u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05dd.<\/p>\n

8 – Spoke about a little unknown fact about the flat top of the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7. The 2 Amos at the outer\u00a0 perimeter were slight lower than the center of the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7. The purpose of this is that the \u2018\u05db\u05d4\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd should not slip\u2019.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/a>\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd<\/a> \u05e1\u05d1<\/a>, <\/a>\u05d0<\/a>. <\/a><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

\"\u05db\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05d1<\/p>\n

\u05db\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05d1 at the top where the Kohanim would walk “so they shouldn’t slip”.<\/em><\/p>\n

We were unsure if that means not to slip into<\/em> the center where the fire was or not to slip off<\/em> the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7.<\/p>\n

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Sponsored Content<\/em><\/p>\n

If the latter, it would mean that the wall of the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7 reached the height of the center of the \u05de\u05d6\u05d1\u05d7.<\/p>\n

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