{"id":848,"date":"2017-06-08T22:20:19","date_gmt":"2017-06-08T22:20:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=848"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:52","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:52","slug":"shiur-060617-beitzah-22b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=848","title":{"rendered":"Shiur 06\/06\/17 &#8211; Beitzah 22b"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Beitza 22b.<\/p>\n<p>1- Our Mishnah relates that Rabban Gamliel enumerated <strong>three<\/strong> opinions of Beis Shamai that he and his family followed. This is despite the fact that Halacha (and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.myjewishlearning.com\/article\/rabban-gamaliel\/\">descendants <\/a>of Hillel) generally follows Beis Hillel.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cf.preventionrd.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/07\/dsc_0393.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for cover pot with towel\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The <strong>first <\/strong>one is regarding the permissibly of <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.halachipedia.com\/index.php?title=Hatmana\">Hatmanah<\/a>\u00a0(vs <a href=\"http:\/\/chabadlibrary.org\/books\/default.aspx?furl=\/adhaz\/sh\">\u05e9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05d4<\/a>)\u00a0<\/em>&#8211; insulating water- on Yom Tov right before Shabbos.<\/p>\n<p>a- R\u2019 Huna explains that the dispute between Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel regarding insulating water refers to a case where the person did <strong><em>not <\/em><\/strong>make an eiruv tavshilin. The reason Beis Hillel permits insulating the water is that in such a circumstance they allow another person to make minimal preparations for him for Shabbos. (see below)<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.int3ger.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/nvsl.png\" alt=\"Image result for necessity vs luxury\" width=\"314\" height=\"147\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Beis Shamai would agree, except for\u00a0<em>Hatmanah. <\/em>Why? Because keeping food warm is a luxury. Thus, someone that forgot to make an Eiruv Tavshilin is <em>not <\/em>granted a pass for <em>Hatmanah<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>b- \u00a0Rava maintains that Beis Shammai and Beis Hillel are discussing a case where an eiruv tavshilin <em>was <\/em>indeed made.\u00a0 Nonetheless, Beis Shammai say that insulating is unique because it is obvious that it is done for Shabbos &#8211; i.e, later on in the evening and not for immediate use. Thus it is prohibited.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/ae01.alicdn.com\/kf\/HTB1La1gPXXXXXXFaXXXq6xXFXXXC\/cooking-tools-alarm-font-b-clock-b-font-font-b-kitchen-b-font-font-b-timer.jpg\" alt=\"Related image\" width=\"305\" height=\"305\" \/><\/p>\n<p>c- Abaya offers an alternative explanation of the dispute. According to Beis Shamai (as per Chanania) one needs to make a <strong><em>separate <\/em><\/strong>eiruv tavshilin each for cooking, baking and <em>Hatmanah<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Performing one does not permit the others. So this chap made an eiruv tavshilin for cooking but not <em>Hatmono<\/em>. Beis Hillel say he can do all forms of work on Yom Tov for Shabbos. Beis Shamai limits him to cooking only.<\/p>\n<p>2- We discussed the text of R&#8217; Huna above and a Beraisa: &#8221; A person did\u00a0<strong><em>not\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>make an eiruv tavshilin may have another person make minimal preparations for Shabbos.<\/p>\n<p>One loaf of bread.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com\/images\/I\/51mpGRim00L.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for loaf of bread\" width=\"187\" height=\"163\" \/><\/p>\n<p>One cooked dish.<\/p>\n<p>One insulated pot.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-CFQSzvL1RIQ\/Tk5YhXt0n2I\/AAAAAAAAETA\/hefyyRm_PUk\/s1600\/5.JPG\" alt=\"Image result for pot wrapped in towel\" width=\"335\" height=\"335\" \/><\/p>\n<p>A candle may be lit for him.<\/p>\n<p>One small\u00a0fish. (Herring?)<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/thumbs.dreamstime.com\/z\/super-tiny-fish-23333986.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for tiny fish\" width=\"383\" height=\"368\" \/><\/p>\n<p>One pot of hot water.<\/p>\n<p>Notice the omission of the word one when referring to candles.<\/p>\n<p>The Rif and the Rambam see this as evidence that one may light as many candles as one wishes (despite his not making an eiruv tavshilin) and derive from this that one need not to mention in the eiruv tavshilin the &#8220;lighting of candles&#8221;. That type of work needs no eiruv tavshilin.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/beyondhumptydumpty.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/HUNDREDS-OF-CANDLES.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for many candles\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Tosfos argues and one needs to mention all types of work. That is the accepted Halachah.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;\u05d1\u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05d9\u05d4\u05d0 \u05e9\u05e8\u05d0 \u05dc\u05e0\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d0\u05e4\u05d5\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d1\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0\u05d8\u05de\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0\u05d3\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e8\u05d2\u05d0 \u05d5\u05dc\u05ea\u05e7\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d5\u05d5\u05dc\u05de\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3 \u05db\u05dc \u05e6\u05e8\u05db\u05e0\u05d0 \u05de\u05d9\u05d5\u05de\u05d0 \u05d8\u05d1\u05d0 \u05dc\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea\u05d0 \u05dc\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d5\u05dc\u05db\u05dc \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d4\u05d6\u05d0\u05ea&#8221;. \u05ea\u05e8\u05d2\u05d5\u05dd \u05dc\u05dc\u05e9\u05d5\u05df-\u05d4\u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9: &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1 \u05d6\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05dc\u05e0\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d0\u05e4\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5\u05dc\u05d1\u05e9\u05dc \u05d5\u05dc\u05d4\u05d8\u05de\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05dc\u05d4\u05d3\u05dc\u05d9\u05e7 \u05e0\u05e8 \u05d5\u05dc\u05e2\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea \u05db\u05dc \u05e6\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05de\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 \u05dc\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea, \u05dc\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d5\u05dc\u05db\u05dc \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d4\u05d6\u05d0\u05ea&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>3- The <strong>second <\/strong>one is regarding the permissibly of &#8216;straightening the candlestick&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/watermarked.cutcaster.com\/cutcaster-photo-800970884-Bent-Candles.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for bent candles\" \/><\/p>\n<p>What does that mean?<\/p>\n<p>R\u2019 Chinana bar Bisna explains that the dispute relates to the issue of whether or not the prohibitions against <strong><em>construction and demolition<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0( \u05d1\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 \u00a0 \u00a0 and\/or \u05e1\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8) apply to utensils. Building or destructing a <em>keli &#8211;<\/em>\u00a0\u05d9\u05e9 \/ \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05db\u05dc\u05d9.<\/p>\n<p>A related incident is recorded where the Shammash of Ula tilted the oil candle to cause the candle to extinguish sooner.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/worldwideflood.com\/files\/includes\/images\/ark-technology-oil_lamp_lit_01.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for tilted oil candle\" \/><\/p>\n<p>We learned the Tosfos that explains the prohibition is<em> not <\/em>because one hastens the extinguishing later on. That would be permitted, such as placing buckets of water to stop an approaching fire. The issue here is that at the moment that one reduces the amount of oil <em>the luminous of the candle is diminished.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Similarly, adding oil is prohibited only when the candle will emit more light as a s result.<\/p>\n<p>The Rosh argues on this:<\/p>\n<p>\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05db\u05d0 \u05d4\u05e9\u05de\u05df \u05d5\u05d4\u05e4\u05ea\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05e9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d4\u05df \u05d2\u05d5\u05e8\u05de\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05d3\u05dc\u05d9\u05e7\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05de\u05e2\u05d8 \u05de\u05d0\u05d7\u05d3 \u05de\u05d4\u05df \u05d5\u05de\u05de\u05d4\u05e8 \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05db\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05d9 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1<\/p>\n<p>4- We related a story that pertains to our Gemara. Here it is from the Internet:<\/p>\n<p><em>Once, the Rebbe of Ger, zt\u201dl, came to visit Rav Chaim Soloveitchik, zt\u201dl, the Rav of Brisk.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/mynoralexander.com\/img\/portfolio\/brisk-iced-tea-logo.svg\" alt=\"Related image\" width=\"201\" height=\"147\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>The two spent a long time in private conversation in a side room, and when it was time for the Rebbe to take his leave, the Rav accompanied his guest to the door.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Just before he left, the Rav of Brisk asked his illustrious visitor a question. He said, \u201cI have always found a certain statement of Chazal quite perplexing. Perhaps you have an answer.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The Midrash on Parshas Tetzave teaches that we find that Rabbi Chaninah s\u2019gan kohanim said: When I served in the Beis HaMikdash, I would light the menorah on Rosh HaShanah, and it would miraculously <a href=\"http:\/\/www.e-ternalflame.com\/\">stay lit<\/a> until the following Rosh HaShanah.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>But we know that lighting the Menorah was a positive commandment that was to be performed every single day! How could it be that they did not fulfill a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea \u05e2\u05e9\u05d4 for an entire year?\u201d\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The Gerrer Rebbe answered without missing a beat, \u201cDon\u2019t we find that it says in the Baraisa brought in Beitza 22a that one who adds oil has transgressed the prohibition of \u05de\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8 ?This is true even if a person only added a single drop. If so, it could have been that they added a single drop of oil every day for the sake of fulfilling the mitzvah, and because it was only a drop, there was also a miracle occurring. \u05d1\u05d3\u05d9\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3 ,adding less than the full amount of oil to the Menorah is not \u05de\u05e2\u05db\u05d1 \u201c!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>With that the Rebbe went on his way.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>Afterward, the Rav of Brisk praised the quick-witted response to those with him. \u201cWhat a lovely p\u2019shat,\u201d he said. \u201cWonderfully clever!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Beitza 22b. 1- Our Mishnah relates that Rabban Gamliel enumerated three opinions of Beis Shamai that he and his family followed. This is despite the fact that Halacha (and descendants of Hillel) generally follows Beis Hillel. The first one is regarding the permissibly of Hatmanah\u00a0(vs \u05e9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05d4)\u00a0&#8211; insulating water- on Yom Tov right before Shabbos. a- &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=848\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Shiur 06\/06\/17 &#8211; Beitzah 22b<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-848","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/848","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=848"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/848\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":851,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/848\/revisions\/851"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=848"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=848"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=848"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}