{"id":865,"date":"2017-06-30T15:17:38","date_gmt":"2017-06-30T15:17:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=865"},"modified":"2026-10-26T18:04:52","modified_gmt":"2026-10-26T18:04:52","slug":"shiur-062717-beitza-22b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shiurpoints.com\/?p=865","title":{"rendered":"Shiur 06\/27\/17 – Beitza 22b"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Beitza 22 a-b<\/p>\n

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1- Our Gemara addresses medicinal treatment on Shabbos for an eye condition that does not pose a threat to the life of the patient. The only dispute regarding this issue presented in the Gemara is whether the Jewish patient is permitted to assist <\/strong>the non-Jew with the treatment, but all opinions agree that a non-Jew may be asked to administer this treatment.<\/p>\n

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2- A Baraisa records a dispute between Beis Shammai and Beis Hillel regarding the permissibility to bake thick <\/strong>loaves on Pesach.<\/p>\n

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R\u2019 Huna defines a thick loaf of having the thickness of Tefach <\/em>based on the precedent of the Lechem Hapanim<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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R\u2019 Yosef questions whether one could use the Lechem Hapanim as precedent for baking thick loaves on Pesach.<\/p>\n

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Yemenite Matza<\/em><\/p>\n

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R\u2019 Yirmiyah bar Abba in the name of Rav explains that the dispute in the Baraisa relates not to the thickness<\/em> of the loaves but to the number <\/em>of loaves that are baked – \u05e4\u05ea \u05e2\u05d1\u05d4 = \u05e4\u05ea \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 – , and the issue here is regarding baking more than necessary on Yom Tov.<\/p>\n

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This explanation is unsuccessfully challenged and a Baraisa is cited that supports this explanation.<\/p>\n

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3- We discussed the Lechem Hapanim and the meaning of \u201cPanim\u201d<\/em>. On the surface it means that it was shaped like a U and thus had ‘sides’ and therefore called Ponim.<\/p>\n

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We spoke about the issue of eating a cake with that has letters on it.<\/p>\n

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We read the text of the Ramo<\/a>. The Mogen Avrohom (6) adds that the prohibition is not limited to letters but also to pictures. \u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea.<\/p>\n

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We then discussed shapes- meaning if the cake or cookie itself is in the form of shapes. The Mogen Avrohom brings an opinion that it is permitted but ends of with a \u05e6\u05e8\u05d9\u05da \u05e2\u05d9\u05d5\u05df.<\/p>\n

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The Alter Rebbe writes about letters. Not shapes. Here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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4- We mentioned the interesting take of the Yavet’z<\/a>. His opinion is that the Lechem Haponim means “faces”. Literally pictures! He states that from the fact that the Lechem Haponim were eaten on Shabbos is proof that one may eat cakes and breads that have a form of letters and pictures!<\/p>\n

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Sen Jacob Javits<\/em><\/p>\n

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See here <\/a>and here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

5- We mentioned the old Yeshivi’she saying that to be successful in learning one must be like a Kosher egg…..<\/p>\n

The siman of a Kosher egg is that one end is round and the other pointy. Both round or both pointy are non-Kosher.<\/p>\n

In learning, round on both sides (diligence but with non-sharp head) or sharp on both ends (sharp mind but no diligence) is not a good sign.<\/p>\n

To be successful one needs to be round on the bottom…. meaning ‘zitz fleish’…… and sharp on the top meaning a sharp mind…..<\/p>\n

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See here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

6- For Gimmel Tamuz we studied a footnote <\/a>(18) written by the Rebbe where he writes that “it is a sharp idea” !<\/p>\n

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