Makos 23a-b Shiur 9/17/15

Makos 23a-b

1- We spoke about the case of the fellow that ran away after being tied to the whipping post , then recaptured. The Beis Din must set him free because we consider his embarrassment of escaping enough of a punishment. (Nowadays escapees receive hero status…..)

Quoted the Hagahos Mai’munis  about the fellow who was sentenced to receive lashes (not D’oiraisa) and the Beis Din-appointed lasher never showed up! So the Beis Din commuted his sentence.

2- Interesting Vort about Moshe Rabeinu running away from the snake. Rashi says that since he spoke ‘lashon hara’ he was liable to receive Malkus. In order to be relieved of this potential punishment he ‘ran away’.

3- We spoke about the Sereidei Aish and his remarks that the Soloveitchik family’s hero worship and adulation of their family greats is similar to that of the adulation of Chabadniks and Breslov…….

4- Our Gemara mentions the expression “Chasei’re Mado”. Meaning people with ‘weak intelligence’ – chosen to administer the Malkus.

We mentioned that the Alter Rebbe uses this expression in Tanya.

See here for a humorous misprint.

5- The Mishna explaining for a  sin that also carries ‘Kareis’ and Malkus once the Malkus are given they are absolved of the Kareis.

Fundamental machlokes of the Rambam versus many others if the Malkus receiver needs to be repentant in order to receive a ‘kapara’ for the Koreis.

We spoke about how this fits with the Gemara in Yuma and Igeres Ha’Teshuva. 

If one commits a sin [punishable by] excision or execution, repentance and Yom Kippur are tentative, so that the individual is not punished, and sufferings scour [i.e., they complete the atonement.]

6- The ‘Shana Tova card” sent by Dovid Hamelech to Naval. “Va’amartem Ko Lechai”.

A Gemar Chasima Tova.


Makos 22b- 23a Shiur 09/01/2015

Makos 22b- 23a

1- Our Mishna states that if the Shliach Beis Din administering the malkus errs and gives one extra (more than the evaluation) and causes the death of the defendant he is ‘patur’ but needs to go to ‘galus’.

The Rivan (Rashi’s son-in-law) introduces the classic question of ’10 people who strike a man and the victim dies, all are exempt including the last one that hit (the 10th)’.

So why in our case is the Shliach obligated to go to Golus?

2- The Gemara talks about ‘Loshon Hora’. We discussed the various opinions if it applies to gossiping something that is actually true.
The Gemara adds that one who talks Loshon Hora ‘deserves to be thrown to the dogs’.

We mentioned that the Ariza”l says that the reason the Gemara chooses the term ‘dogs’ is because one that talks Loshon Hora is reincarnated into a dog.


dog reincarnated as a tree

3- We discussed the difference between the good deeds of the dogs that didn’t bark by Yetzias Mitzraim as opposed the the frogs that went on Mesiras Nefesh by jumping into the ovens (by ‘makas Tze’fardeah).

ok, everybody in!

Why were the dogs rewarded for posterity (all treifa meat is given to them) and not the frogs?

A-It’s harder to keep your mouth closed than jumping into a fire……

B- frogs have no relationship with the original brave frogs two millenniums ago. One the other hand mother in law miss‘alle hint fun alle doros zeinen kroivim un mechutonim’.
All barking dogs have a commonality and thus are related……

4- We spoke about the two Misnagdishe camps that don’t exactly get along. Chazon Ish versus the Brisker.
One is very stringent on the topic of Shiurim (ke’zayis) the other is even more machmir.

The first group claims that the second suffers from OCD……