Shiur Sukkah 38b 7/7/22


Sukkah 38b

Sivan 8, 5782. June 7, 2022

1- In regards to שומע כעונה, we mentioned a few point of the previous shiur. 

A listener, the שומע, is considered as if he actually said it. He verbalized it. How to be a Good Listener. Hint: It's not about you | by John Ciprian | The Startup | Medium

But what if in addition to the listening there is another factor? 


A – Listening to the עשרת בני המן. The חזן that reads these ten names needs to say it in one breath. Now the listener also needs to say them in one breath. 

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Does שומע כעונה cause the listener to be considered that not only did he ‘say it’ but he also ‘said it in one breath’. The Rogatchover says no. His reasoning is that only words that are heard can be considered as if he is כעונה.

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The חזן’s holding his breath is an action. Not speech. Therefore it cannot be transmitted to others.

B – The Minhsg of a Shul in Rome. At ברכת כהנים, only one כהן would say the ברכות! The other כהנים would listen and used שומע כעונה as if they themselves uttered the ברכות. 

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We spoke about the בית הלוי that took issue with this מנהג since ברכת כהנים needs to be said loudly בקול רם and that is outside the parameter of שומע כעונה. 

Someone mentioned that perhaps there is also an issue with לברך את עמו ישראל באהבה. One cannot just hear and be יוצא with the speaker’s אהבה…..

2- Discussed that שומע כעונה means that the listener is literally considered as if he is himself is uttering the words. The listener therefore needs to be in a position to say the words or ברכה himself. Like being fully dressed. 

See here from the Alter Rebbe הלכות שחיטה that if the reader is dressed and the שומע is undressed, than is it not proper to do so. 

3- This Shiur, coming right after שבועות, we mentioned the language used by the Previous Rebbe קבלת התורה בשמחה ובפנימיות. 

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At first glance it needs clarification since we know that לימוד התרה needs to be with fear, awe and trepidation just as the תורה was given under such serious circumstances. 

See here the Rebbe’s letter to JB discussing this issue. 

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We read the Tosfos on Daf 28a that explains why the birds flying over Yonason ben Uziel were scorched. They quote a Yerushalmi that seems to say that מתו תורה  was indeed an occurrence that had elements of שמחה! 

Shiur Sukkah 28a

ירושלמי חגיגה (ב, א) וקהלת רבה (ז, יח)    ….. אלא יושבין היינו וחוזרין בדברי תורה מן התורה לנביאים ומן הנביאים לכתובים והיו הדברים שמחים כנתינתן מסיני והיתה האש מלחכת אותן כלחיכתן מסיני ועיקר נתינתן מסיני לא ניתנו אלא באש וההר בוער באש עד לב השמים….

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4- We learnt the Gemara about the 3 historical stages of saying הלל and Rava’s explanation of the parts of הלל in stage 2 that were a זכר to stage one.  

5- We discussed the מחלוקת  of the גאונים, Rashi, Tosfos and others about what to do in middle of שמונה עשרה when one hears the חזן saying נקדישך or קדיש – is it a הפסק or not.

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According to some, pausing to listen (in order to be יוצא saying נקדישך ) using שומע כעונה is very problematic since by listening one is ‘saying’ it and that constitutes a הפסק. 

Others differ and say that it’s fine. Why? See AR OC 104, 5.

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6- We read the Yerushalmi concerning the word  הללויה

Is it one word or two words הללו י-ה ? If two then the י-ה is קודש.  



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